You can't get me I'm part of the Union........

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

is there an outcome yet ?

Not seen anything yet including in the local press.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Not seen anything yet including in the local press.

legal challenges tend to be slow .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

legal challenges tend to be slow .

From what i can gather it was held over a week ago. Probably a bad sign then, if they had won there would have been a press release from them. virgin won't release anything as the original decision affected a number of people and they wouldn't want it dragging up again I assume.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Top banana

From what i can gather it was held over a week ago. Probably a bad sign then, if they had won there would have been a press release from them. virgin won't release anything as the original decision affected a number of people and they wouldn't want it dragging up again I assume.

Well i do know that it was put on hold for a week due to legal reasons, so it may still be in progress.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Well i do know that it was put on hold for a week due to legal reasons, so it may still be in progress.

Ah, wasn't aware of that

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

this still seems to be smouldering- vm management are now saying they are upset at the way the union handled the vote situation apparently the union sent out letters encouraging members to strike and picket vm establishments -strange i never got a letter nor did any other union member i know suggesting any action be taken other than try to increase membership .

The Conservative Government introduced legal limitations to "Flying Pickets" in the early 1980's.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

no surprise there

what is baffling me is that management have decided to drag this up again just as things where going quiet, its like they just wanted to put the final boot in ,which has revived discussions around the offices , and people are asking where is the evidence of the vote

The VM management team would not go out to deliberately antagonise the workforce- it just wouldn't make sense from any perspective.

Having said that, I do know of a factory owner who instigated a strike whilst trade was very quiet. It was "resolved" just as trade picked up and he had saved a fortune in wages, by not paying people to do nothing!

The situation is completely different in the case of VM.

What alternative unions are there to the CWU?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The Conservative Government introduced legal limitations to "Flying Pickets" in the early 1980's.



The VM management team would not go out to deliberately antagonise the workforce- it just wouldn't make sense from any perspective.

Having said that, I do know of a factory owner who instigated a strike whilst trade was very quiet. It was "resolved" just as trade picked up and he had saved a fortune in wages, by not paying people to do nothing!

The situation is completely different in the case of VM.

What alternative unions are there to the CWU?

bectu


Virgin Media anti-union move hits BECTU members
26 November 2012

Roughly 30 members of BECTU working for Virgin Media have been caught up in union de-recognition bid.

Virgin management gave notice last week that the Communications Workers' Union, the company's largest, would no longer be recognised for bargaining purposes.

It is now clear that the de-recognition move also applies to BECTU, whose members in Virgin Media originated in NTL, which was merged into the company in 2006.

Virgin announced that it was no longer planning to bargain with the two unions after a ballot of staff, including many who were not covered by the agreements between the company, CWU, and BECTU.

Officials in both unions have condemned the move, which is believed to have been coordinated by union-busting specialists hired in from an American consultancy.

No access to staff was allowed to CWU or BECTU while the ballot took place, and reports from members indicate that they were put under severe pressure to vote against continued union recognition.

Despite the unequal nature of the ballot, only 52% of the participating staff voted against a union presence in their workplace, suggesting that a significant proportion of the workforce still want independent representation.

While the two unions prepare strategies to regain recognition, staff at the company will be allowed to take part in an in-house staff forum, which will not, however, bargain over pay and conditions.

Spencer MacDonald, BECTU's Supervisory Official covering Virgin, said: "This is a backward step for staff at Virgin, and I'm baffled that the company would want to destroy a productive and functioning relationship with us.

"Virgin staff will now have no independent representation at work, and on a range of issues like pay and working conditions they will be at the mercy of management. BECTU will be working with the CWU to win back the basic rights of our members in the company"
http://www.bectu.org.uk/news/1726

Originally Posted by papa smurf

bectu


Virgin Media anti-union move hits BECTU members
26 November 2012

Roughly 30 members of BECTU working for Virgin Media have been caught up in union de-recognition bid.

Virgin management gave notice last week that the Communications Workers' Union, the company's largest, would no longer be recognised for bargaining purposes.

It is now clear that the de-recognition move also applies to BECTU, whose members in Virgin Media originated in NTL, which was merged into the company in 2006.

Virgin announced that it was no longer planning to bargain with the two unions after a ballot of staff, including many who were not covered by the agreements between the company, CWU, and BECTU.

Officials in both unions have condemned the move, which is believed to have been coordinated by union-busting specialists hired in from an American consultancy.

No access to staff was allowed to CWU or BECTU while the ballot took place, and reports from members indicate that they were put under severe pressure to vote against continued union recognition.

Despite the unequal nature of the ballot, only 52% of the participating staff voted against a union presence in their workplace, suggesting that a significant proportion of the workforce still want independent representation.

While the two unions prepare strategies to regain recognition, staff at the company will be allowed to take part in an in-house staff forum, which will not, however, bargain over pay and conditions.

Spencer MacDonald, BECTU's Supervisory Official covering Virgin, said: "This is a backward step for staff at Virgin, and I'm baffled that the company would want to destroy a productive and functioning relationship with us.

"Virgin staff will now have no independent representation at work, and on a range of issues like pay and working conditions they will be at the mercy of management. BECTU will be working with the CWU to win back the basic rights of our members in the company"
http://www.bectu.org.uk/news/1726

I hope VM sue the arse of these guys for the lies they are spinning, I was at an investor session where the managment clearly stated that the staff still have the right to union representation at any time and that pay discussions will be carried out through internal voice reps. And with regard US union busters they said the only people involved were 2 or 3 uk based directors carrying out roadshows to explain the rational for wanting their people to have a vote even though they actually didn't need to ?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by MaverickJesus

So you have been proven completely wrong about them winning the vote (even after everyone said there was no chance of that happening) and now you are pinning your hopes to some magical legal situation to come and save the day?

This is all very entertaining in an egg-on-your-face sort of way.

It is, but nothing that I didn't expect from the CWU. They are the most unprofessional union that I have ever had the misfortune to deal with. The sad thing is that it is the rank and file members who are going to suffer as a result.

Their arrogance towards others, whilst claims of financial mismanagement with members' money, is truly jaw dropping.

Originally Posted by Top banana

...I also think the union have an agenda and are trying to damage their brand and drive up membership with scaremongering hence my comments to try an balance the argument

Indeed, on top of their lack of professional conduct and allegations of misusing union funds, the CWU try to sue VM, try to damage their brand and then wonder why we don't want anything to do with them!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Sirius

So what we have here is that members of staff are worried about there employment, working conditions and wages, your interested in your dividend as a share holder ?

As a Director and shareholder of several companies, I always put the interests of shareholders first. I have a legal requirement to.

Also, remember that, without people willing to invest in VM, you wouldn't have a job.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

I hope VM sue the arse of these guys for the lies they are spinning

Clueless as usual I see, a boss hugger if ever I saw one.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Top banana

I hope VM sue the arse of these guys for the lies they are spinning, I was at an investor session where the managment clearly stated that the staff still have the right to union representation at any time and that pay discussions will be carried out through internal voice reps. And with regard US union busters they said the only people involved were 2 or 3 uk based directors carrying out roadshows to explain the rational for wanting their people to have a vote even though they actually didn't need to ?

It is not only the likes of the CWU who can resort to legal action

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Originally Posted by Peter_

Clueless as usual I see, a boss hugger if ever I saw one.

I really do wish that you would move on from the 1970's mentality of "them and us".

Attitudes have changed as people have realised that working together in partnership is the way forward.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It is, but nothing that I didn't expect from the CWU. They are the most unprofessional union that I have ever had the misfortune to deal with. The sad thing is that it is the rank and file members who are going to suffer as a result.

Their arrogance towards others, whilst claims of financial mismanagement with members' money, is truly jaw dropping.



Indeed, on top of their lack of professional conduct and allegations of misusing union funds, the CWU try to sue VM, try to damage their brand and then wonder why we don't want anything to do with them!!!!!!



As a Director and shareholder of several companies, I always put the interests of shareholders first. I have a legal requirement to.

Also, remember that, without people willing to invest in VM, you wouldn't have a job.

I didn't realise you ran a telecomms business, Richard.....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Indeed, on top of their lack of professional conduct and allegations of misusing union funds, the CWU try to sue VM, try to damage their brand and then wonder why we don't want anything to do with them!!!!!!

This is a thread about Vm and the CWU, so looking at your post which you also quoted me in so i decided to reply you have said "and then wonder why we don't want anything to do with them!!!!!! " So do you work for VM or not as your post indicates by it wording that you do. ?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I didn't realise you ran a telecomms business, Richard.....

I don't, my involvement with the CWU is for other purposes.

Originally Posted by Peter_

Clueless as usual I see, a boss hugger if ever I saw one.

Why clueless Peter, btw what happened last week?