Tories again hitting the poor

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

Well unfortunately that's exactly what happens ,some people see how easy it is to claim some of the multitude of benefits and then get a bit of extra money on the side .There is a culture up here of "get as much off the state as possible" and it shows no sign of going away, if anything it gets worse as the government limits the availability of benefits because people are kicking back so to speak and turning to the labour black market even if they don't claim benefits

Inappropriate comments have been removed.

This is not a school playground. Stick to the topic, not silly attacks of each other.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Since l have now calmed down and more relaxed, if l have been rude or sacastic to any member on this forum - then please accept my apologies.

If l am wrong, then l say l am wrong.(took that quip from Dirty Dancing)

We are all entitled to our opions and sometimes we say things we shouldn't. This is why this forum is excellant at expressing views on what your point is.

In future l will learn to keep 'harsh' words to myself.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Since l have now calmed down and more relaxed, if l have been rude or sacastic to any member on this forum - then please accept my apologies.

If l am wrong, then l say l am wrong.(took that quip from Dirty Dancing)

We are all entitled to our opions and sometimes we say things we shouldn't. This is why this forum is excellant at expressing views on what your point is.

In future l will learn to keep 'harsh' words to myself.

Why do I get the feeling you've been told to make this post?

the wife, I bet.

anyway. we accept your apology.

[jb66]

Im glad they are cutting benefits, i cant believe folk on benefits can afford the iphone5. Benefits should be just enough to get you by, not to live comfortably with

I actually don't have a problem limiting child related benefits for those on state benefit it has always angered me that some people go on benefit and then start spewing out chabbies not for real reasons such as wanting to be a parent or longing for a child but because it meant a healthy bump in the cash each week. We need to start hitting that attitude and the people that hold it and i have over the years seen quite a few that played that game. I have said in the past on here that when you sign onto state benefit you should be made to sign something to say that you will do all you can to get a job and will not increase your numbers whilst on state benefit sort of a social responsibility type agreement.

Something else that needs to change in reality is the giving of accomadation to young single parents purely because they have a kid where i live there are very few 1 and 2 bedroom properties for rent because they are occupied by youngsters who had a kid. Now tecnically that shouldn't be happening anymore as i am sure they legislated for it a few years ago (not sure so if i am wrong please someone say) but in reality it is still happening. Biggest reform our welfare system needs is to get back to what it was intended for a system that helped people who hit temporary bumps in their working life or looked after those who through no fault of their own are unable to work.

We need to increase wages to a decent point so that top ups from the state are not needed, we need to cut out longterm unemployment benefit as a general benefit with only those in very deprived areas where employment is known to be very hard to get recieve it. Politicians need to stop abusing the welfare system for their own ends when it suits them ie. to bribe come election time and then to hammer it afterwards to show how tough they are.
Those in genuine need to be honest probably need an increase in the money they get but that can only happen when we have got the whole system back into some shape of what it was intended to be not te beemoth it has bbecome to cover up a whole range of social issues.

(sorry if there is mistypes brother bought me a mechanical keyboard and i am still not used to the daamn thing).

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by jb66

Im glad they are cutting benefits, i cant believe folk on benefits can afford the iphone5. Benefits should be just enough to get you by, not to live comfortably with

Not everyone who receives benefits can afford such items. Saying that, not everyone who receives a wage can either.

[Stuart]

There are a couple of problems here..

1) While it is obscene that the Government spends as much money as it does to keep MPs comfortable and at least relatively happy, the amount spent only amounts to a few million. The Government needs to save billions.

2) The Benefits bill is probably one of it's largest. Hence they will expect to save most money there. Now, there *are* a lot of people who are on benefits who not be, and a lot more who are claiming benefits they probably shouldn't. The problem is how to target those people (some of whom are skilled in evading the checks used by the benefits system) without hitting those who are claiming legitimately.

Originally Posted by Stuart

There are a couple of problems here..

1) While it is obscene that the Government spends as much money as it does to keep MPs comfortable and at least relatively happy, the amount spent only amounts to a few million. The Government needs to save billions.

2) The Benefits bill is probably one of it's largest. Hence they will expect to save most money there. Now, there *are* a lot of people who are on benefits who not be, and a lot more who are claiming benefits they probably shouldn't. The problem is how to target those people (some of whom are skilled in evading the checks used by the benefits system) without hitting those who are claiming legitimately.

and the very fact you jump to that conclusion without any real evidence to prove it is exactly what the government want

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Originally Posted by jb66

Im glad they are cutting benefits, i cant believe folk on benefits can afford the iphone5. Benefits should be just enough to get you by, not to live comfortably with

they can't unless they loan off provident or buy off the rediculasly high credit charge companies like Bright House. People on Benefits and dealing drugs or commiting other crime or working on the side can

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think the think that upsets me about this is that they tell you about the benefit cap, and then they are cutting more police officers, and that they are increasing there allowances and they say that they deserve it.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

and the very fact you jump to that conclusion without any real evidence to prove it is exactly what the government want

People claiming benefits when they shouldn't is a fact not a jumped to conclusion .The only thing that amazes me is that A) people doubt it's true and B) it's took various governments so long to get a grip

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think the think that upsets me about this is that they tell you about the benefit cap, and then they are cutting more police officers, and that they are increasing there allowances and they say that they deserve it.

Everything upsets you Arthur, and what allowances have gone up ?....link perchance?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

and the very fact you jump to that conclusion without any real evidence to prove it is exactly what the government want

Which conclusion are you questioning? The one where I state that the money the government is wasting on things for MPs is a few million, so the amount is rather lower than the multi billion dollar benefits bill? In which case I'd cite basic maths.

Or are you questioning my conclusion that a lot of people are claiming benefits they aren't entitled to? Note, I said a lot, I did not say all or even most. I actually believe the number of people claiming benefits illegally is only a small fraction of the total number of claimants, but that can still be a lot of people.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Stuart

There are a couple of problems here..

1) While it is obscene that the Government spends as much money as it does to keep MPs comfortable and at least relatively happy, the amount spent only amounts to a few million. The Government needs to save billions.

2) The Benefits bill is probably one of it's largest. Hence they will expect to save most money there. Now, there *are* a lot of people who are on benefits who not be, and a lot more who are claiming benefits they probably shouldn't. The problem is how to target those people (some of whom are skilled in evading the checks used by the benefits system) without hitting those who are claiming legitimately.

1. We are all in this together

2. The benefits bill is the largest but by far the biggest chunk of it goes on pensions, see how far they get if they try and hammer the old.

I haven't followed this all that closely but it seems fraught with problems. First of all the implication that that families having a third child should have planned better, what if they have twins the second time around? What is they are catholic and don't practise contraception? What if they simply 'made a mistake' and didn't want an abortion?

It doesn't seem workable in practise and a policy cooked up by someone detracted from reality.

[nashville]

Originally Posted by jodash

I had 2 jobs in 42 years made redundant 23 years ago and invested my pay off,made redundant again last year and again have invested redunacy money,was told I was only allowed 6 Months JSA allowance at £67.50 p/w which has recenly finished,and now have to live off my investments and wifes wages

This is a disgrace & certainly not fair.