Tories again hitting the poor - Page 3

Arthurgray50@blu · 26-10-2012, 13:38

Hugh, you are working overtime with your figures, my mother in law had 14 children, sadly two didn't make it.

TheDaddy · 26-10-2012, 13:42

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Meaning the goods made by those companies are now too expensive for people or other companies to buy, the companies close and the unemployed go up. Brilliant.

Whilst I don't advocate a race to the bottom on the wages front, we have to remain competitive or pull up the drawbridge on both imports and exports soviet style. No more flat screens, iphones, ipods and everybody drives cars like Ladas.

the living wage is 2 pounds an hour more for living in London than the minimum, less for outside and you think that's going to bring everything crashing down, the only thing it might mean is certain companies.don't have quite as much tax to avoid next year as this.

Osem · 26-10-2012, 13:47

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Quite right and when there's more old than young people we can just import loads of immigrants to make up the shortfall.

Only if they promise not to grow old or have children here otherwise they become part of the problem.

nashville · 26-10-2012, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I think it's a great initiative and long over due.

If you can't afford to have kids, then don't have them

I think in the future if you have two children & cannot afford any more why have them for other people to keep. This should go for all immigrants too. It does not mean children already born. Some people just keep having one after another & also dogs & smoke like a chimney

Sirius · 26-10-2012, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I have two new points to make. I have just come back from shopping and l took a count of families with children. I saw one couple with SEVEN children and a trolley load of food. And another family with FIVE children. And both these families came from abroad.

When families come abroad, the Benefit agencies place them in properties to fit there 'style' and amount of children, The media recently had a story of a family with NINE children and the house was a 'millionaire style' property and it was totally wrecked by the family, as soon as the owner found out who was there he got them evicted.

The government have got to stop this total waste of the benefit system, as it is US that are paying for it.

The benefit system is being milked by overseas visitors and they are laughing in our faces and yet the poor brits get hit - and l can never understand why.

Arthur i have a question for you, i know you don't like answering question but i will try.

If the government brings in this limit it then means that those with more than 2 kids will not get any money for the others, So that means people from here or another country will only get money for 2 kids.

So here is the QUESTION do you think if they know that they will only get money for 2 of there kids decide not to visit and live here.

nashville · 26-10-2012, 14:34

If it stops them from coming I am all for it. But the do-gooders in this country would find a way for them.

MalteseFalcon · 26-10-2012, 14:49

If it stops little tarts from spreading their legs wide so they can milk the system dry then I'm all for it.

Sirius · 26-10-2012, 15:45

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If it stops little tarts from spreading their legs wide so they can milk the system dry then I'm all for it.

Ramrod · 26-10-2012, 16:00

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What happens if you can afford to have kids, have a few, then lose your job and can't find another?

Not sure that applies to most cases........willing to accept I'm wrong with that assumption.....

Arthurgray50@blu · 26-10-2012, 16:15

Hi Sirius, And you yourselves know the answer to that question. The benefit system in this country is so flawed that a little kid could go round it.

IF it was brought in tomorrow that you could only claim for TWO children, then there is someone out there that will INVENT a name to cover the other two, that's been proven on that Tv show 'Saints and Scroungers'

A council official was doing a scam and claiming for children she DIDN'T have, and she got sent to prison for it.

I am all for people who run scams being found and prosecuted as its us that are paying for it. But what the government have to do is find these people and sto it in its tracks before hitting the poor. Does that answer your question.

Sirius · 26-10-2012, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Hi Sirius, And you yourselves know the answer to that question. The benefit system in this country is so flawed that a little kid could go round it.

IF it was brought in tomorrow that you could only claim for TWO children, then there is someone out there that will INVENT a name to cover the other two, that's been proven on that Tv show 'Saints and Scroungers'

A council official was doing a scam and claiming for children she DIDN'T have, and she got sent to prison for it.

I am all for people who run scams being found and prosecuted as its us that are paying for it. But what the government have to do is find these people and sto it in its tracks before hitting the poor. Does that answer your question.

Well i tell you now i am all for this, Plus it might stop kids being born to the sods who will not work and have kids just to increase there benefits . So yes bring it in and SOON.

Tezcatlipoca · 26-10-2012, 17:25

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Erm, Arthur - how do you know these families came from abroad?

Perhaps they "looked foreign" to Arthur?

26-10-2012, 18:42

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

We could start by paying a living wage rather than the barest minimum and we could even go on to make sure that no one is better of on benefits than they would be working not by cutting benefits to the bone but by increasing wages.

Paying higher wages simply because the cost of living has gone up is a tried and tested failure ,i am earning probably 3x as much as i did 20 yrs ago but i am no better off ,wages go up, prices go up, then wages go up add infinitum ,it's that vicious circle that needs breaking somehow

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Why not make work financially more rewarding then because despite Arthur's headlines to the contrary I doubt there are many living millionaire lifestyles on benefits

That's what is needed but how do you stop companies hiking the prices up as soon as they realise their is more disposable income about

Pierre · 26-10-2012, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Chris

The devil's always in the detail, but it surely can't be beyond the wit of man to devise a system that provides a safety net for people

A welfare system as a safety net? and not a lifestyle choice?

Holmes, I think you might be onto something here.....................................

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Quite right and when there's more old than young people we can just import loads of immigrants to make up the shortfall.

Plenty of young people without a job at the moment.

27-10-2012, 07:11

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

If it stops little tarts from spreading their legs wide so they can milk the system dry then I'm all for it.

When my younger step-daughter returned from working in the United States after two years, aged 24, the advice she was given by an old school friend was, "Get pregnant and the Council will give you a flat". She was horrified, since she went to University for 3 years and gained a good degree. Her "friend" (now ex-friend) got pregnant shortly after leaving school at 18, was given a flat by the Council and now has a second child from a different Father. My step-daughter has moved away from the area to live and has another full time job. She rents a flat with her boyfriend who is a nurse and they currently have no plans to start a family.