Tories again hitting the poor

[Arthurgray50@blu]

www.skynews.co.uk - Benefit cap on two children

Ian Duncan Smith is stating in tomorrows newspapers that child benefit is going to be capped on parent/s having just two children.

This yet again hitting the poor, what is wrong with the Tories, IS the 3rd or 4th child to blame for coming into the world, if the parent does not have a job - whose fault is that.

I have three children, and my daughter has three children - so the government are going to condemn us as we have a third child. Its about time the government put this country back on its feet before cutting back on the benefit system.

This week we learned that two major companies are closing down factories - the reason people are not buying that product as there is no money. There are no jobs going, and the government claim that we can offer this and that, we can cut this and that, so who do they hit first, the poor as they cannot fight back.

Instead of fiddling figures by the unemployment rate, by saying there is more people in work - total rubbish. They should get investment in this country, instead of giving out contracts to overseas countries to try and butter them up. If you stop giving out aid to countries that don't need it - we would have money.

[MovedGoalPosts]

Did the existence of child benefit influence your decision to have children? I hope not. If it did then that confirms that it is being issued incorrectly as an income advantage and incentive.

So major companies, I presume you refer to the likes of Ford, are closing some factories. The vehicle industries have been in trouble for years, the global economies have just highlighted this. For how long should people keep on and on flogging a dead horse?

Giving out contracts to overseas? Oh dear, you'd better start blaming every party that supports European agendas for that one since it's part of the rules this country is signed up to as a member of the EEC.

[Tezcatlipoca]

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How to paste a link to the actual story (again):

Go to "www.skynews.co.uk".

Click on the "UK" tab.

Click on "Large Families Set To Face Benefit Cuts" (at the top of the page).

Highlight the URL (address) in the browser's address bar.

Right-click and select "Copy" -or- Press CTRL-C (or cmd-C on a Mac).

Right-click within the forum post and select "Paste" -or- Press CRTL-V (or cmd-V on a Mac).

http://news.sky.com/story/1002682/ia...f-benefit-cuts


Here endeth the lesson.




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Also have a read of Mick's sticky post at the top of Current Affairs:

Read here before posting News Item threads in Current Affairs

I cannot for the life of me work out why he reads the page and then presses the back button and then copies the link instead of just copying the link of the page he is reading


Anyhoo ,the idea behind this is to make it fairer for the people who are working ,yes that includes you arthur ,why should people who work have to stop having kids because they can't afford it and those on benefits not have any such worries

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

www.skynews.co.uk - Benefit cap on two children

Ian Duncan Smith is stating in tomorrows newspapers that child benefit is going to be capped on parent/s having just two children.

This yet again hitting the poor, what is wrong with the Tories, IS the 3rd or 4th child to blame for coming into the world, if the parent does not have a job - whose fault is that.

Let's turn this around. You presumably pay taxes. You also presumably support your own children. Do you think it's fair that you pay for some bloke who sits on his backside all day swigging bitter to have 7 or 8 kids?

I have three children, and my daughter has three children - so the government are going to condemn us as we have a third child. Its about time the government put this country back on its feet before cutting back on the benefit system.

Whether we like it or not, the benefits budget is one of the government's largest budgets. As such, it is likely that it will also have some of the largest cuts.

Unless you know of a way to reclaim several billion pounds a year without cutting the budget.

[RB2004]

Government doesn't know what to do next, first they attacked British citizens who just so happened to want to marry a foreigner.. But this went unnoticed to most people.. As people aren't aware unless it effects them, but basically if you are British born even to british parents this means nothing if you fall in love with a foreigner.. If you aren't earning £18,600 a year, you are in a situation where you have to be voluntarily exile yourself... Because if u can't meet the income limit u can't get your partner here, and if you move abroad to live with them u stand even lesser chance of meeting the income level so u are effectively exiled abroad. Should be noted as well that if that partner falls pregnant with your child.. That minimum income then increases up to anything around £30,000 depending on amount of children.

Now they are attacking the countries own citizens with cuts like this which are effecting poorer families.

Yes cuts need to be made to benefits but they are targeting the wrong people. There's loads of people abusing the system that need rooting out, like somebody I've seen on Facebook.. Has 3 children, bf purposely not moving in or getting married, house paid for by the council, child benefits.. Income support from the father, and other benefits probably also.. Doesn't work at all.. Yet house is better decorated than some working people's homes! Brand new appliances, always having parties and buying lots of food.. How can somebody be able to live like that when they don't even work? And if they are that well off do they need the benefits?


Another case I saw a few years back.. Single mother, 2 children, had some kind of disability.. Was getting a new car every few years under motability.. And had enough income leftover to send children to private schools with tailored uniforms... Yes they should get something because they are disabled.. But if they can afford to send their children to provide schools an afford tailored uniforms begs the question are they receiving too much benefits.

Also seen cases where child benefits system has been abused and foreigners have found ways to have children here, claim child benefits then continue to claim them when they return home through the help of people still here... Money is paid into their bank account as per normal them somebody withdraws it and sends abroad.

Cuts should be made to those kinds of people, and tighter checks and controls should be employed to stop abuse in order to save money... Not punish british citizens who are the innocent who do genuinely work and still struggle to support their families.

I am usually a conservative supporter and voter, but after they have done stuff like this and also genuinely effected me also with their stupid ideas.. Next time I probably won't bother any lore voting don't wanna vote or labour or lib dems either so better not to vote at all lol.

Another example of them wasting money is this police commissioner stuff.. Did you know they will be paying the commissioner anything up to £100,000 a year just to tell the police what they can improve on... Considering how many commissioners there will be that's a lot of money! There must be cheaper ways of doing this?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Matt D

[OT]

How to paste a link to the actual story (again):

Go to "www.skynews.co.uk".

Click on the "UK" tab.

Click on "Large Families Set To Face Benefit Cuts" (at the top of the page).

Highlight the URL (address) in the browser's address bar.

Right-click and select "Copy" -or- Press CTRL-C (or cmd-C on a Mac).

Right-click within the forum post and select "Paste" -or- Press CRTL-V (or cmd-V on a Mac).

http://news.sky.com/story/1002682/ia...f-benefit-cuts


Here endeth the lesson.




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Also have a read of Mick's sticky post at the top of Current Affairs:

Read here before posting News Item threads in Current Affairs

Matt

Well done but i feel you will have done that in vain. Arthur does it to wind us up and i bet now that his next Tory rant will not have a link that works

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Let's turn this around. You presumably pay taxes. You also presumably support your own children. Do you think it's fair that you pay for some bloke who sits on his backside all day swigging bitter to have 7 or 8 kids?



Whether we like it or not, the benefits budget is one of the government's largest budgets. As such, it is likely that it will also have some of the largest cuts.

Unless you know of a way to reclaim several billion pounds a year without cutting the budget.

Nothing to add to that except What he said

Originally Posted by Stuart

Unless you know of a way to reclaim several billion pounds a year without cutting the budget.

Go after the taxes that some companies and individuals should be paying and not leave tax loopholes for some companies and individuals to use.If they do that along with budget cuts I for one won't complain.

[techguyone]

Just to play devils advocate...

I thought we were in an aging population, if this is so, surely we should be breeding like bunnies no ?

Let's not forget that even benefit breeders, pay tax on everything they purchase like ... food etc.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Let's not forget that even benefit breeders, pay tax on everything they purchase like ... food etc.

Food (normal food that is and not snacks/treats/fastfood) is VAT free

[Pierre]

I think it's a great initiative and long over due.

If you can't afford to have kids, then don't have them

[Taf]

What happens if you can afford to have kids, have a few, then lose your job and can't find another?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Taf

What happens if you can afford to have kids, have a few, then lose your job and can't find another?

Then they should be strung up and vilified for not having a job and sponging off those that are paying taxes.

[AndyCambs]

Originally Posted by Taf

What happens if you can afford to have kids, have a few, then lose your job and can't find another?

Sell them?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Let's turn this around. You presumably pay taxes. You also presumably support your own children. Do you think it's fair that you pay for some bloke who sits on his backside all day swigging bitter to have 7 or 8 kids?

Course he doesn't. 'Think' I mean...