24-10-2012, 05:54
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re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by Chris
It seems to me that a lot of people cared too little and allowed the outrageous to become mere background noise.
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Nothing's really changed much in all these years then
Seems the vast majority of people just don't want to get involved, or feel it's none of their business.
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24-10-2012, 08:02
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re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by colin25
I doubt we will ever get the whole truth.
The statement by the DG of the BBC, that he didn't ask about what the investigation was about, seems implausable. At the very least, he should lose his job. Not sure he is fit to run the BBC, if he doesn't even have the capacity to ask the "right" questions.
They were commissioning tribute programmes, and he never ever thought to ask what the inquiry was about? Bah
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He wasn't Director General at the time of the Newsnight airing. He was in charge of programming, or entertainment programming, at the time as is alleged to have been told from the News Director that the investigation may impact upon his plays to air tribute shows. There isn't any evidence that he then tried to influence the investigation at all.
This whole thing has become far too focused on the BBC alone. We're talking all the time about the decision to drop a Newsnight investigation and little about the fact that Saville abused several girls. The entire story has been hijacked for the purposes of pushing against the BBC.
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24-10-2012, 08:33
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re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by Damien
This whole thing has become far too focused on the BBC alone. We're talking all the time about the decision to drop a Newsnight investigation and little about the fact that Saville abused several girls. The entire story has been hijacked for the purposes of pushing against the BBC.
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I don't think the BBC bloodletting is a bad thing. We've gone through the search for evidence of a cover up - there isn't any - and on to Peter Rippon's reasons for spiking the report, which seem to me to be a reflection of the very attitudes that allowed Saville's activities to carry on in BBC premises over so many years.
The other institutions where Savile abused girls will all have questions to answer but the BBC is a national institution which finds its way into every home in the country and its activities are directly paid for by all of us.
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24-10-2012, 08:43
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watching this ,it seems that Entwistle is out of his depth as DG of the beeb ,he looked very uncomfortable in front of that committee
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24-10-2012, 08:58
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re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by Chris
I don't think the BBC bloodletting is a bad thing. We've gone through the search for evidence of a cover up - there isn't any - and on to Peter Rippon's reasons for spiking the report, which seem to me to be a reflection of the very attitudes that allowed Saville's activities to carry on in BBC premises over so many years.
The other institutions where Savile abused girls will all have questions to answer but the BBC is a national institution which finds its way into every home in the country and its activities are directly paid for by all of us.
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I don't mind the BBC being investigated. I hope additional abusers as well as any who conspired to let it happen face criminal proceedings. That's what should happen and hopefully is going to happen. I don't resent an investigation into why the Newsnight investigation is dropped either.
I do think there is too much focus on the News investigation presumably because it's one of the few aspects that has taken place in recent times with those responsible still at the BBC. However it's a relatively minor aspect of the entire story. Newsnight's failure to run the investigation didn't result in the abuse of child or contribute to Savile getting away with it.
There may well be people guilty of abuse or covering up that abuse who worked at the BBC or other organisations during the time these crimes took place. This seems to interest the press less because it's unlikely to bring down anyone currently high up in their respective organisations. Why did Saville have such access to children at BBC studios? Was this common? Why did he have access to patients in Broadmoor? Was he unsupervised? Same with Leeds Hospital?
It just seems to me that the press isn't focused on the scandal of child abuse but more on the question of BBC News' impartiality which is of course very important but not the only, or most serious, aspect of this story.
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24-10-2012, 09:02
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I feel the Times cartoon in yesterdays paper sums the present situation up.
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24-10-2012, 09:13
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re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by Chris
The other institutions where Savile abused girls will all have questions to answer but the BBC is a national institution which finds its way into every home in the country and its activities are directly paid for by all of us.
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Also, the BBC made him into the star he was. I don't think he would have had the access he had to the other institutions without the BBC.
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24-10-2012, 09:58
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It's a good job none of these BBC grandees called anyone a pleb or they'd be in real trouble.
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24-10-2012, 11:13
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i get it.................jimmy saville was a serial paedophile?sex offender.
He's dead......i'm sorry for the victims.............it's not the bbc's, stoke mandeville's or anyone elses fault..............move on.
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24-10-2012, 11:25
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re: Operation Yewtree
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
For someone who's on the best part of £0.5m of your licence money he didn't seem to know anything about the organisation that he's supposed to be in charge of.
From Rod Liddle's column here
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Indeed ,when he was in charge of programming he was told that the newsnight investigation may mean he would have to change the Christmas schedule regarding the planned Savile tribute, he merely said "keep me updated" not "how serious is this" .Christmas scheduling is probably the most important time for any program maker and scheduler so i think a few more pertinant questions should have been asked .
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i get it.................jimmy saville was a serial paedophile?sex offender.
He's dead......i'm sorry for the victims.............it's not the bbc's, stoke mandeville's or anyone elses fault..............move on.
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I am aware that you have a reputation for making controversial statements but the above is just plain daft and insulting
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24-10-2012, 11:34
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re: Operation Yewtree
Jimmy Savile: Prosecutors to re-examine abuse allegations
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20068621
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24-10-2012, 11:53
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re: Operation Yewtree
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I am aware that you have a reputation for making controversial statements but the above is just plain daft and insulting
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24-10-2012, 11:55
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re: Operation Yewtree
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I am aware that you have a reputation for making controversial statements but the above is just plain daft and insulting
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24-10-2012, 11:55
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re: Operation Yewtree
Tom Watson has just alleged suggestions of a paedophile ring connected to a Number 10 during a former Prime Minsters term....  Has he gone mad?
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24-10-2012, 11:59
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re: Operation Yewtree
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Tom Watson has just alleged suggestions of a paedophile ring connected to a Number 10 during a former Prime Minsters term....  Has he gone mad?
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presumably that would be a conservative government ?
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