TiVo : Poor choice of Channels

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by denphone

Oh Itshim its so nice to hear such fine eloquent words this morning from you this morning but in the case of Sky please tell me what they have actually got which is actually better then what Virgin have got and apart from having a few more itsy bitsy channels thats about it frankly as Virgin stand shoulders above them on a good many other things and as the old cat advert goes 9 out of 10 cats prefer only the best and in this case and many others thats certainly not Sky.

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l prefer fillet rather then rump my dear chap.

Personally Sky offer nothing to me that I can not get via a combination of Virgin & Freeview. However it has to be said that they will not want to "help" another supplier unless it increases the bottom line.
Other people want offerings only on Sky and hence they complain that Virgin do not have this that or the other . If it is such a problem - then vote with your feet.
I like porterhouse these days if I cant get T Bone that is

[andy_m]

Originally Posted by denphone

Oh Itshim its so nice to hear such fine eloquent words this morning from you this morning but in the case of Sky please tell me what they have actually got which is actually better then what Virgin have got and apart from having a few more itsy bitsy channels thats about it frankly as Virgin stand shoulders above them on a good many other things and as the old cat advert goes 9 out of 10 cats prefer only the best and in this case and many others thats certainly not Sky.

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l prefer fillet rather then rump my dear chap.

Are you Stuart Hall?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by andy_m

Are you Stuart Hall?

No l always prefered hearing Eddie myself.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Sky are concerned search BSKYB on the net and click news, they are talking about the threat from BT, if they lose the premiere league and movies they have nothing as they don't own any infrastructure. Virgin do and thats a massive assett.

The reason they are worried about BT is because BT have realised what it takes to counter Sky; they bought content.

Originally Posted by Top banana

Who knows what will happen, however from a share price perspective Sky where at £7.60 in Nov last year and are now £7.50, whereas VM were at £13 and are now nearly £20, so clearly the speculators sniff that something is brewing

That is an interesting point you raise there.

Originally Posted by Top banana

Sky have the content for now, however the world changes very quickly in this space and the future may be a world where content providers choose to sell direct to customers via the internet, Tivo is perfect to deliver content in this way

I agree, but I think that will take quite a while. People like us, who visit forums such as this, are keen to see such developments, but the vast majority of the public want to stick with content delivery via traditional means. They are resistant to change; just read these forums and see the number of people who, even though they have a very feature rich PVR in Tivo, still watch TV in the traditional way, i.e., live and thus tied to TV broadcasters shedules.

If VM were to have both the infrastructure for the future, which as you say, they already have, and content, which is the prime driver for now (and a good few years ahead), then they would be in an outstanding position, covering both now and the future.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Can you remind me where and when I posted that SP.

Click the blue arrow next to your name in the quote and it'll take you to the post.

The important point is it was after the VMTV sale announcement but before the Sky Atlantic one. I was testing your claim "Many people anticipated that Sky would launch a new channel after the sale" and can find no evidence to support that.

[Dave42]

[QUOTE=passingbat;35485581]The reason they are worried about BT is because BT have realised what it takes to counter Sky; they bought content.

yes because BT not billions in debt like VM sad but true and sky will always withhold content too nothing VM can sadly do about that swears under breath at sky again like i said they did right thing selling channels to sky to get the HD content and red button even thought it not full red button if VM didn't have the debt then they could compete for the content sadly they cant

[alwaysabear]

[QUOTE=Dave42;35485590]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The reason they are worried about BT is because BT have realised what it takes to counter Sky; they bought content.

yes because BT not billions in debt like VM sad but true and sky will always withhold content too nothing VM can sadly do about that swears under breath at sky again like i said they did right thing selling channels to sky to get the HD content and red button even thought it not full red button if VM didn't have the debt then they could compete for the content sadly they cant

I 'll say it again VM need a cash rich partner or a takeover to compete now.

[Dave42]

[QUOTE=alwaysabear;35485591]

Originally Posted by Dave42

I 'll say it again VM need a cash rich partner or a takeover to compete now.

yes totally agree there

[Henkesghost]

[QUOTE=Dave42;35485592]

Originally Posted by alwaysabear

yes totally agree there

Agree too. Falling too far behind with no sign of any fightback.

[QUOTE=Henkesghost;35485594]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Agree too. Falling too far behind with no sign of any fightback.

Falling behind in what respect? Their results are out on the 24th Oct may be best to wait until then before making comments that they are falling behind?

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Click the blue arrow next to your name in the quote and it'll take you to the post.

The important point is it was after the VMTV sale announcement but before the Sky Atlantic one. I was testing your claim "Many people anticipated that Sky would launch a new channel after the sale" and can find no evidence to support that.

I think the discussions were after the announcment of Atlantic and people saying they were sure Atlantic wouldn't come to VM and they had expected such a move by Sky.

My thoughts then, and I may or may not have posted them, were, hold on, don't be so hasty to assume that Atlantic won't come to VM; surely VM will have included future Sky channel launches in the VM channel sale deal. But as we know, they hadn't, and I still remain perplexed as to why they didn't.

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[QUOTE=alwaysabear;35485591]

Originally Posted by Dave42

I 'll say it again VM need a cash rich partner or a takeover to compete now.

I have wondered the same myself as I've previously posted. One part of me thinks it is necessary and the other has reservations.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Henkesghost

Agree too. Falling too far behind with no sign of any fightback.

It seems the doomsayers are in their full element today it seems.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I think the discussions were after the announcment of Atlantic and people saying they were sure Atlantic wouldn't come to VM and they had expected such a move by Sky.

Funny how no-one mentioned it before

Originally Posted by passingbat

But as we know, they hadn't

Do we know that?

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Do we know that?

We (the public) can only go on the evidence that Sky Atlantic has not appeared on VM so far, and an earlier post by Stephen, suggests that it won't be anytime soon.

Are you suggesting that it was included in the deal but 'other factors' have prevented it from coming to VM?

Originally Posted by passingbat

We (the public) can only go on the evidence that Sky Atlantic has not appeared on VM so far, and an earlier post by Stephen, suggests that it won't be anytime soon.

Are you suggesting that it was included in the deal but 'other factors' have prevented it from coming to VM?

It will be based on value for money. VM have attrtacted more customers to thir tv service than sky have to theirs in the last 2 qtrs wven though they only cover 50 percent of the country and do not have atlantic.