Hillsborough Report

Originally Posted by Peter_

We now have Brussels and European laws to prevent any such relaxation of health and safety law.

In many cases, EU directives set out principles in general terms which national Parliaments then have to enact in domestic law. Unfortunately British fair play and pettyfogging officialdom tends to conspire to ensure such directives are interpreted as severely as possible and then enforced to the letter.

It is our bureaucrats' enthusiasm for making up rules and sticking them to the masses that is the problem, and that is where the UK government has room to 'relax' the rules.

Obviously major H&S changes like all-seater stadiums which came out of Hillsborough aren't going to be reversed, but there is definitely room for manoeuvre on issues such as which ladder you have been trained to use and whether you're allowed to ascend more than three steps without a harness.

Originally Posted by Chris

In many cases, EU directives set out principles in general terms which national Parliaments then have to enact in domestic law. Unfortunately British fair play and pettyfogging officialdom tends to conspire to ensure such directives are interpreted as severely as possible and then enforced to the letter.

It is our bureaucrats' enthusiasm for making up rules and sticking them to the masses that is the problem, and that is where the UK government has room to 'relax' the rules.

Obviously major H&S changes like all-seater stadiums which came out of Hillsborough aren't going to be reversed, but there is definitely room for manoeuvre on issues such as which ladder you have been trained to use and whether you're allowed to ascend more than three steps without a harness.

Quite right ,and don't forget the caveat in all health and safety legislation ‘so far as is reasonably practicable’.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

Quite right ,and don't forget the caveat in all health and safety legislation ‘so far as is reasonably practicable’.

As before all such laws and regulations are enabled by the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 even the European six pack regulations.

But more importantly this is now so way off topic that we in danger of hitting an iceberg.

What we want now is for Bettison to resign and be prosecuted for his lies.

Originally Posted by Peter_

I think you need to lose that ,it does nothing for your cause .There where many supporters of liverpools belief in a cover up throughout the country

I agree. That's quite a passive-aggressive image. It's creates and feeds into a sense of division between Liverpool and the rest of the UK, a sense of Liverpool standing alone. I get why Liverpool have that feeling but you need to understand, especially as time went on, the amount of support you had across the country. You don't want to feed that sense of isolation and victimhood that that image represents.

[danielf]

I think the image is okay. For a while (perhaps a couple of days). Then move on to something a bit more positive.

[Peter_]

How many people believed the coverup version of events even right up to the release of the evidence proving otherwise and all the apologies of yesterday with regards to that attitude that stuck for over 23 years it is quite apt and in many ways truthful, in fact some people will still continue to disregard yesterdays news and still believe the incorrect version of events that unfolded on that day.

The post above is in many ways accurate and reflects the way many on Merseyside felt about how people viewed the events at Hillsborough and now we feel vilified.

I have stuck to my guns over the years even when people had tried to say otherwise about those events and that is because most of those people were never affected by those events, many people on Merseyside either knew a victim or a survivor and have heard their stories and recollections of that fateful day and those memories stay with you even years later.

Originally Posted by Peter_

How many people believed the coverup version of events even right up to the release of the evidence proving otherwise and all the apologies of yesterday with regards to that attitude that stuck for over 23 years it is quite apt and in many ways truthful, in fact some people will still continue to disregard yesterdays news and still believe the incorrect version of events that unfolded on that day.

The post above is in many ways accurate and reflects the way many on Merseyside felt about how people viewed the events at Hillsborough and now we feel vilified.

I have stuck to my guns over the years even when people had tried to say otherwise about those events and that is because most of those people were never affected by those events, many people on Merseyside either knew a victim or a survivor and have heard their stories and recollections of that fateful day and those memories stay with you even years later.

it wouldn't have been much of a cover up if nobody believed it and as i said earlier in the thread ,given the reputation for violence and drunken disorder that football fans including liverpool fans had at that time it wasn't hard to get the general public to believe it .Those not involved in football, and strange as it may seem to you that would be most of the country had no choice given the available information but to believe the police .

Originally Posted by Peter_

How many people believed the coverup version of events even right up to the release of the evidence proving otherwise and all the apologies of yesterday with regards to that attitude that stuck for over 23 years it is quite apt and in many ways truthful, in fact some people will still continue to disregard yesterdays news and still believe the incorrect version of events that unfolded on that day.

The post above is in many ways accurate and reflects the way many on Merseyside felt about how people viewed the events at Hillsborough and now we feel vilified.

I have stuck to my guns over the years even when people had tried to say otherwise about those events and that is because most of those people were never affected by those events, many people on Merseyside either knew a victim or a survivor and have heard their stories and recollections of that fateful day and those memories stay with you even years later.

Again I have to say that you did have support of people outside Liverpool. Especially in the football world.

Peter i am not a scouser m8 and my defence of the fans that day and condemnation of the police never wilted in 23 years. Whilst without a doubt the most pain from hillsborough was felt in merseyside it certainly wasn't exclusive to merseyside.

Im afraid Ive removed that image. It in no way reflects what a large part of the rest of the country feels or felt, and quite honestly is somewhat insulting to the rest of us.

[TheDaddy]

Great article, I never knew that 14 police officers received 1.2 million compo after their insurers accepted top level negligence.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-reade-1318730

[Peter_]

At least we still have the Bettison link as that man needs to be removed form his position and prosecuted especially considering the job he now has as chief constable of West Yorkshire, that is an insult.

[Nidge41]

Originally Posted by Damien

Will those in the police involved in ordering the changing of statements and the misinformation campaign be investigated for perverting the course of justice?

I still cant believe 160 police officers altered notebooks and not 1 has admitted it and said why?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Nidge41

I still cant believe 160 police officers altered notebooks and not 1 has admitted it and said why?

I can. Nobody is going to stick their head above the parapet in this. It may be done collectively and when it comes to court all will be revealed then. But no single officer will be brave enough to do that.

An interesting point was raised on Radio 2 about this. Whereas no-one would or could justify the police's attitude in this, one idea was suggested. Apparently some felt that had it all not been covered up and the truth was brought out immediately, the public would instantly lose confidence in the police and anarchy would have ensued.

I stress I don't agree with them covering it up or that particular view but I can at least see where they were coming from, if true.