Hillsborough Report - Page 2

Russ · 12-09-2012, 17:18

It's not like Mackenzie had a choice really...

colin25 · 12-09-2012, 17:24

No evidence of any government trying to conceal the truth

i find that hard to believe. They government and Ministers and in particular the PM, would have known.

joglynne · 12-09-2012, 17:40

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Originally Posted by colin25

No evidence of any government trying to conceal the truth

i find that hard to believe. They government and Ministers and in particular the PM, would have known.

I am no lover of Politicians but I would be interested to hear any evidence you know of to show that the Government at that time were involved in the cover up. I would certainly have liked to have a full independent enquiry before now but that is another matter.

Glad to hear that the families of the 96 will now know the truth and can take a step forward in getting justice for their loved ones.

danielf · 12-09-2012, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Russ

It's not like Mackenzie had a choice really...

No, but he had a choice of words. Saying that 'the lies' would have been more accurate is quite something after 23 years.

12-09-2012, 17:45

Why would the government have known the truth about this i don't know how it works but i assume the government would have asked south yorkshire police to give them a report and probably would have taken that at face value. As we now know the police in this instance were working very hard to coverup their own failings in this incident so i doubt they would give out one story publicly and then tell the government another. Also and i don't know for sure but Derek may clarify on this (sorry Derek your the only police officer i know on this forum nothing personal

) the government wouldn't go along with such a big police coverup because of how this could affect future convictions by the officers involved seems to me that any case those officers were involved in after this incident could be tarnished by having officers that perverted the course of justice.

I'm not saying for 100% the government didn't know and would welcome anything that shows they did know (not rumour or hearsay something credible) but i just cannot get my head round that big a conspiracy but then i wouldn't have said as many police as did would be involved in something and would have been wrong about that.

**Damien** · 12-09-2012, 17:54

The most you might be able to say is that governments had a intentional blindness to the issue. Preferring not to delve into the dirt in fear of what they might find.

colin25 · 12-09-2012, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Damien

The most you might be able to say is that governments had a intentional blindness to the issue. Preferring not to delve into the dirt in fear of what they might find.

Valid point, unlikely any proof will see light of day.

Russ · 12-09-2012, 18:01

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Originally Posted by danielf

No, but he had a choice of words. Saying that 'the lies' would have been more accurate is quite something after 23 years.

The fact he said it took more that 20 years for him to realise it is also quite something.

**Damien** · 12-09-2012, 18:18

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Originally Posted by danielf

No, but he had a choice of words. Saying that 'the lies' would have been more accurate is quite something after 23 years.

I think this is part of an effort to shift the blame to the source of those lies, the police and the local MP. I don't think people expected quite as damning a revelation as that which gives him and The Sun the chance to portray themselves as mere unwitting conduit for lies told by the authorities. He'll position this as a nothing more than poor judgement in wording and taking the police for their word. When he says 'The lies', he means other people's lies.

**Chris** · 12-09-2012, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Russ

The fact he said it took more that 20 years for him to realise it is also quite something.

McKenzie and the Sun always thrived on sensationalism. For years, he has been able to claim that his headline was the newspaper's consistent approach to scandalous information from reputable sources. IMO he held that line for a lot longer than was decent. Even if today's report had found that everything the Sun reported on that day was true, the manner in which it was reported, and the timing of it, were grossly insensitive given what had just taken place and how many were dead and injured and he should have apologised for that years ago.

Given that the wave of outrage today is rightly concentrated on those within South Yorks Police who orchestrated this smear campaign and cover up, McKenzie has chosen possibly the only time he could reverse his position and tender an apology without becoming the centre of attention as a result of it.

Ultimately, however, everyone except Officialdom knew the truth of matters years before now and McKenzie could have offered a sincere apology without waiting for the results of this inquiry. Trevor Hicks has probably summed it up as well as anyone, quoted in the Mirror* today:

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... said it was "too little, too late" and calling him "lowlife, clever lowlife, but lowlife".

* not that I think the Mirror has anything to crow about. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

Peter_ · 12-09-2012, 18:26

So 164 statements were altered to place blame on the Liverpool supporters for causing the deaths of the 96, I hope the are 164 people not getting a good nights sleep tonight as they contemplate a potential prosecution for perverting the course of justice.

Also the were potentially 41 possible survivors of this tragedy but they set a cutoff point of 3.15pm even though the is proof of more being alive well after that time and one of them Kevin Williams died at 4pm in a policewoman's arms.

I as many people disbelieve that the government of the time had no part of the coverup as that simply must be untrue as the South Yorkshire Police would be directly answerable to the Home Secretary of the time who in turn would have the ear of the then primeminister.

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You're right, of course Maggy. But I'm sure that won't stop them trying/venting at every opportunity. Perhaps it's now time to let it go.

Are you for real have you not read the news, you should post a retraction regards "Letting it go" it is people like you who thought we were wrong to go forwards for justice.

In answer to an old post have you seen the news.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35292024-post43.html

Peter_ · 12-09-2012, 18:40

That part has been removed and it was put their in anger and I am sorry for posting it do accept my apologies.

It is up to you guys if you feel the need to leave the comment in your own posts, just been watching the coverage on the BBC News channel.

**Chris** · 12-09-2012, 18:43

I've likewise removed my earlier post.

This is a very emotional day for a lot of people - I nearly had to stop the car while listening to the World at One today.

carlwaring · 12-09-2012, 18:48

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Originally Posted by Peter_

Are you for real have you not read the news, you should post a retraction regards "Letting it go" ....

My original post was made on the fact that it's been however-many years and nothing's happened so perhaps it's time to consign it to history.

I will admit that I did not know that this report was due today. So I am very pleased that those people affected have now got some sort of "closure" (as they say).

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...it is people like you who thought we were wrong to go forwards for justice.

As this is my very-first post on the subject in any Forum ever, I cannot even begin to see how you could possibly know any of my previous thoughts on this subject. For the record, you are completely and utterly wrong. So would you now care to apologise.

(Not that you have apologised for any of the previous innuendo and lies you have previously posted about me on this forum recently.)

Peter_ · 12-09-2012, 18:51

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I've likewise removed my earlier post.

This is a very emotional day for a lot of people - I nearly had to stop the car while listening to the World at One today.

I know and fully realise that, my father went the year before and was in the Leppings Lane End and only because he contracted terminal cancer he could have been there in 1989, I sat and watched it unfold live on Grandstand or whatever Saturday afternoon sports programme was on and could not believe my eyes that is one reason I have always felt so strongly about this issue.

So please do not be be offended by anything I posted in anger as maybe now you will understand why.

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

My original post was made on the fact that it's been however-many years and nothing's happened so perhaps it's time to consign it to history.

I will admit that I did not know that this report was due today. So I am very pleased that those people affected have now got some sort of "closure" (as they say).

As this is my very-first post on the subject in any Forum ever, I cannot even begin to see how you could possibly know any of my previous thoughts on this subject. For the record, you are completely and utterly wrong.

Ok Carl but that final comment could have be worded differently as I guess you were unaware of the facts as many people were even after 23 years.

If anyone is interested in reading some articles about the tragedy printed over the years a link can be found HERE