A Duty To Die?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I friend of mine's grandad had lung cancer in the late 1960's, he was at home slowly dying, and in a great deal of pain and his nans was in a great deal of distress, he was having daily morphine injections.

One the the Dr came in and gave him his injection and said "this should end his suffering" (or words to that effect), shortly after he died.

He belived the Dr help.

The irony is if animals are ill they get put down to stop them suffering, we have to suffer.

I believe that sort of thing happens many times everyday up and down the country,,it gets to a stage with morphine were the doctors know the likelihood is the dose will kill the patient but in terms of pain control there isn't another option

Originally Posted by Damien

Weird timing.

Pneumonia, though while I'm not an expert I don't think it's a great leap to suppose the fact he started refusing food and drink after last week's judgement won't have helped.

Originally Posted by Chris

Pneumonia, though while I'm not an expert I don't think it's a great leap to suppose the fact he started refusing food and drink after last week's judgement won't have helped.

Yeah, The BBC has confirmed that.

[Dude111]

I dunno,i dont want to step on anyones toes here but i think its wrong to try and force someone to stay IF THEY DONT WANT TO!!

I really feel aweful for this poor guy

WHY IS SUICIDE FROWNED UPON?? -- I honestly dont know... If someone wants to leave,LET THEM!!


I dunno,alot of things as of late bothering me,i dont wanna say too much on this thread..

Originally Posted by Dude111

I dunno,i dont want to step on anyones toes here but i think its wrong to try and force someone to stay IF THEY DONT WANT TO!!

I really feel aweful for this poor guy

WHY IS SUICIDE FROWNED UPON?? -- I honestly dont know... If someone wants to leave,LET THEM!!


I dunno,alot of things as of late bothering me,i dont wanna say too much on this thread..

suicide isn't.......... assisted suicide is and that is what it was all about ,he went to court to get the law to allow a doctor to assist in his death

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

suicide isn't.......... assisted suicide is and that is what it was all about ,he went to court to get the law to allow a doctor to assist in his death

Suicide used to be illegal didn't it, iirc there we're harsh penalties if you tried but failed to off oneself

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Suicide used to be illegal didn't it, iirc there we're harsh penalties if you tried but failed to off oneself

It was ,

The Suicide Act 1961 (9 & 10 Eliz 2 c 60) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It decriminalised the act of suicide so that those who failed in the attempt would no longer be prosecuted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Act_1961

[TheDaddy]

The new health minister has called the laws on assisted suicide ridiculous, if I was feeling mischievous I'd say it was yet another government initiative to get people of incapacity benefit

http://news.sky.com/story/982464/new...s-right-to-die

[danielf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The new health minister has called the laws on assisted suicide ridiculous, if I was feeling mischievous I'd say it was yet another government initiative to get people of incapacity benefit

http://news.sky.com/story/982464/new...s-right-to-die

I'd say that Dave has had a rare fit of common sense in his choice of appointment...

Originally Posted by danielf

I'd say that Dave has had a rare fit of common sense in his choice of appointment...

Nope. The comments have been backed away from.

Department of Health says new health minister's views on assisted dying are her personal views and not those of the department

At least have the debate, see what the country thinks, then allow a free vote in Parliament. It's not hard. The Government doesn't always have to be 'for' or 'against' something.

Originally Posted by Damien

Nope. The comments have been backed away from.



At least have the debate, see what the country thinks, then allow a free vote in Parliament. It's not hard. The Government doesn't always have to be 'for' or 'against' something.

quite agree ,and aren't ministers supposed to be put in place because of their own views on matters such as health,transport,defence,etc ,so they mirror the governments stance

We are long overdue discussing this openly in the UK and i think it is getting to the point where if it doesn't happen more people will just view it as spinelessness on the part of government. You don't have to be in favour to initiate a debate as long as your prepared to go with the majority at the end of the debate. Maybe thats the problem too many are in favour of some form of assissted suicide and this government doesn't want to have to try and legislate for it given the gauranteed objections of numerous religious organisations\groups.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Nope. The comments have been backed away from.



At least have the debate, see what the country thinks, then allow a free vote in Parliament. It's not hard. The Government doesn't always have to be 'for' or 'against' something.

I'd suggest not having the debate, I think we have it just about right at the moment leaving it to the courts to decide, the burden is with the police to prove they stood to/ did it for financial gain or whether its in the public interest to proceed, politicians getting involved usually makes things worse not better

[danielf]

What's 'just about right' about people having to go abroad to end their suffering.

We treat animals better than humans in this area, and it's high time we do something about it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by danielf

What's 'just about right' about people having to go abroad to end their suffering.

We treat animals better than humans in this area, and it's high time we do something about it.

What's right about having the lonely and depressed ending their suffering as happens in other countries, our judicial system is very lenient towards people in this situation on the whole so why not let them carry on.