[Update] The News Corp scandal

[mertle]

Cameron really treading close to the wind if these allegations founded..

Telegraph disclosures today from biography book

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...y-reveals.html

I have feeling brooks wont drop him in it but coulson could be the real threat.

The allegations are made in an updated biography of the Prime Minister. Its authors claim that contact between the pair came to an “abrupt halt� after Mrs Brooks stepped down, but that the Prime Minister later sent an emissary to apologise for his sudden coldness, explaining that Ed Miliband had him on the run.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1336550539934A

Just to make you smile.

Originally Posted by mertle

Cameron really treading close to the wind if these allegations founded..

Telegraph disclosures today from biography book

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...y-reveals.html

I have feeling brooks wont drop him in it but coulson could be the real threat.

None of that will be bad. I suspect the damage to him from the relationship with Brooks is already done, the stuff about him texting her encouraging messages and apologising for not 'being loyal' won't do much additional damage. Unless there is a suggestion that Cameron helped grease the wheels of the BSkyB bid or in anyway used his office to help Brooks/News International I think he will be fine.

Yep! Funny how mud slides off grease..

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1336550539934A

Just to make you smile.

damn get him in government

He dont half speak the truth.

Incidently did you read leveson dont expect proof press deleted millie dowler texts.

I thought it had been proof with admitions.

Are we seeing George michael words coming true all will be sham, cover up might see odd fall guy but once dust settled nothing will be done.

Damien thats my fear it all leads to this oxford ring. I do think this is the centre activity. News corp is not the centre issue think its beyond this. People lie using deceit coverups fall guys to block the real issue. That is government power influence.

I think leveson needs more powers to crack this wide open. He needs powers of raids whoever they are. If thats hunt, osbourne, cameron, murdocks, brookes, coulson. Some will say conspiracy theory but its seems funn MP's namely some constantly being involved.

Maggy J sadly true they say some people can walking into cesspool and come out smelling roses.

I think we seeing this with Certain polititians.

mertle it isn't in Levesen's remit to hand out sentences.It is an inquiry pure and simple..No one is going to be found guilty.

What we are hoping for is a sensible way can be found to keep a free press whilst preventing the press from taking the liberties they appear to have been taking for a few years now.To find a way that people can be protected from malignant and perverse sections of the press whilst making sure that what press there is does the job that we require them to do which hopefully will ensure that corruption is exposed and the truth revealed without ruining decent peoples' lives.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

mertle it isn't in Levesen's remit to hand out sentences.It is an inquiry pure and simple..No one is going to be found guilty.

What we are hoping for is a sensible way can be found to keep a free press whilst preventing the press from taking the liberties they appear to have been taking for a few years now.To find a way that people can be protected from malignant and perverse sections of the press whilst making sure that what press there is does the job that we require them to do which hopefully will ensure that corruption is exposed and the truth revealed without ruining decent peoples' lives.

I accept that but surely remit to go where the trail leads why he should be given powers to raid offices if he feels he being lied or evidence being blocked.

We need it be wider it would then be able to weed out those corrupt. Maybe we should linked it with criminal investigation he said he cant go too deep as it treads onto criminal investigation.

There lies issues that it may end as sham circus due to restrictions.

I am sure leveson would like extra powers.

No would not be leveson remit to be sentencing but to collate relevent information for criminal prosecution.

I would also think it should include lobbying too.

Therefore why I would like to see it broadened to embrace the whole envelope of issues.

Its all linked the corruption wont be unearthed without massive investigation. I fear we will see nothing happen the corrupt get away with it and MP's laugh it all off who are dodgy.

Originally Posted by mertle

damn get him in government

He dont half speak the truth.

Incidently did you read leveson dont expect proof press deleted millie dowler texts.

I thought it had been proof with admitions.

Are we seeing George michael words coming true all will be sham, cover up might see odd fall guy but once dust settled nothing will be done.

Damien thats my fear it all leads to this oxford ring. I do think this is the centre activity. News corp is not the centre issue think its beyond this. People lie using deceit coverups fall guys to block the real issue. That is government power influence.

I think leveson needs more powers to crack this wide open. He needs powers of raids whoever they are. If thats hunt, osbourne, cameron, murdocks, brookes, coulson. Some will say conspiracy theory but its seems funn MP's namely some constantly being involved.

Maggy J sadly true they say some people can walking into cesspool and come out smelling roses.

I think we seeing this with Certain polititians.

You said

Incidently did you read leveson dont expect proof press deleted millie dowler texts

This is because there isn't any - they can prove the phone was hacked, but it is believed that the voicemails were auto-deleted after 72 hours. We can't (and shouldn't) change the rules of evidence and jurisprudence just because we don't like someone...

Telegraph

However a detailed investigation into the circumstances by the Metropolitan Police has failed to conclusively find any evidence that the voicemails were deliberately deleted.

Detectives who examined phone records found that messages were automatically deleted after 72 hours and so could not say for certain whether any of the stored voicemails had been manually removed before that period was up.
While detectives said it was possible two messages had been removed manually, they were unable to say who had been responsible.

And regarding Leveson requiring more powers, the point of an inquiry of this sort is to be focused on certain areas - if other things come out of it, criminal investigations should happen, or further inquiries. You can't keep extending an inquiry's brief otherwise it would never end, and never come to any conclusions and findings.

The Leveson Inquiry brief

The inquiry has two parts, the first of which is examining relations between the press, politicians and police, and the conduct of each. Its aim is to consider the extent to which the current regulatory regime has failed, and whether there has been a failure to act upon any previous warnings about media misconduct.

In doing this, it has already examined the relationships between the press and the public, and the press and police. It will now move on to consider the relationship between press and politicians.

The second part of the inquiry will look at the extent of unlawful or improper conduct within News International and other media organisations. It will also examine the way in which any relevant police force investigated allegations relating to News International, and whether the police received corrupt payments or were otherwise complicit in misconduct.

It will also consider the role, if any, of politicians, public servants and others in relation to any failure to investigate wrongdoing at News International.

The remit also includes broadcasters and social media networks.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Hugh

This is because there isn't any - they can prove the phone was hacked, but it is believed that the voicemails were auto-deleted after 72 hours. We can't (and shouldn't) change the rules of evidence and jurisprudence just because we don't like someone...

I suppose it is possible that the system maintains some sort of audit trail (as such a trail may well show if something was deleted automatically or manually), if it did, I'd be surprised if the Met weren't given access to it.

I believe they only keep the logs for so long, and then they are deleted (that is what happened at O2).

[Stuart]

Fair enough. Either way, I suspect that if the logs still existed, the Met would have seen them.

Andy Coulson is giving evidence today at the Leveson Inquiry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002228

Andy Coulson has told the Leveson Inquiry he held stocks in News Corporation worth £40,000 while working as the prime minister's press chief.

However.

In his statement to the inquiry he said he did not consider it to represent any kind of conflict of interest.

Looks out of the window to see if there are any aerodynamic porcine passing overhead.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Andy Coulson is giving evidence today at the Leveson Inquiry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002228


However.


Looks out of the window to see if there are any aerodynamic porcine passing overhead.

I believe they make grunting sound too.

have you seen this maggy coulson dropped hunt and cameron in it.

as donald sutherland said can I have another bolshovik firecracker think fell a sleep in the snow in film quote..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...BSkyB-bid.html

There was more bad news for Mr Hunt and Mr Cameron when Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street communications chief, said in evidence to the Leveson Inquiry that Mr Michel had been for a meeting inside Number 10.
He said he met Mr Michel “on a few occasions for coffee� and “I do recall talking to him, albeit briefly, in my [Downing Street] office�.
He said he never discussed News Corp’s BSkyB bid with Mr Michel, but confirmed weekend reports that Mr Michel had set up a meeting between Mr Cameron and the former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar, a board member of News Corp.
The meeting took place in November 2009, as News Corp was preparing to announce its bid to buy the 61 per cent of shares in BSkyB it did not already own. The meeting was not declared by the Conservatives.

Rebekah tomorrow..

http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-...1-May-2012.pdf

I wonder how good a 40 year old women's memory will be..Hopefully better than an 80 year old man.

She's on...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18032676

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Does anyone think it odd that a newspaper editor would have the access necessary to text the PM of the UK and vice versa on any kind of regular basis?