TiVo : BBC Red Button - will it arrive before the Olympics?

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Absolutely. Constructive criticism is always good. Not seeing much of that on here thus far though.


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The constructive bit is where it's been suggested that VM get the 24 SD and 24 HD linear olympic channels. Did you miss that bit?

[multiskilled]

Ah,so what you want is the best of both worlds.That is never going to happen unless you subscribe to both services and the costs that would involve. It's like buying any product (car, phone, insurance, etc) you have to choose which features are more important to you and decide.

Every one knows the situation between Sky and Virgin, if you want linear content go to Sky if you want on demand and fast broadband go to Virgin. It is as simple as that.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The constructive bit is where it's been suggested that VM get the 24 SD and 24 HD linear olympic channels. Did you miss that bit?

I think of that as more "stating the blindingly obvious"

[LexDiamond]

Originally Posted by passingbat

And now the coverage on VM is inferior. And we live in the now.

Live in the now? Are the Olympics now? Have they begun with no additional coverage from VM.

It seriously is beginning to sound like this Olympic thread is nothing but a reason for you to dress up your greivances as Olympic related.

The difference between constructive criticism and what you are doing is night and day.

[carlwaring]

Well said, Lex.

[Emel]

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Live in the now? Are the Olympics now? Have they begun with no additional coverage from VM.

It seriously is beginning to sound like this Olympic thread is nothing but a reason for you to dress up your greivances as Olympic related.

The difference between constructive criticism and what you are doing is night and day.

Lex you make a very fair point. Until recently I was happy with Virgin's Olympic offering as it was the best I could get and I ordered a Tivo.

Now that I know that it is possible to receive these streams in a recordable form it is my main entertainment priority to receive them, especially as the sports I am most interested in are likely to get poor coverage on the main channels and life means I can't be at home all the time watching an unrecordable stream.

What I would like to see now is openness from Virgin on how they will broadcast this massive national event. Virgin generally keep the new channel discussions close to their chest for commercial reasons. This, however, is a different situation as the BBC is a public broadcaster whose output is paid for by the licence fee.

I am prepared to by patient for a while but I need to know where I stand a fair bit before the Olympics. I pay Virgin over £1,000 a year and am a long term customer because for me Virgin offered the best overall package and I can't justify the expense of splitting providers.

The Olympics for me are a priority and I am soon going to have to find a way of receiving the recordable streams. Clearly the happiest solution would be if Virgin provide the streams as per Freesat and Sky. If, for whatever reason, they decide not to I am going to have to cut back on something, compromise, research the most economic solution and source a supplier in what could be a busy time.

So more than anything I need to know where I stand as soon as possible. I hope you understand my position.

[LexDiamond]

Emel, completely understand your POV.

[carlwaring]

As do I; though I have never actually said otherwise.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Live in the now? Are the Olympics now? Have they begun with no additional coverage from VM.

It seriously is beginning to sound like this Olympic thread is nothing but a reason for you to dress up your greivances as Olympic related.

The difference between constructive criticism and what you are doing is night and day.

I am actually a very big supporter of VM. VM are in competition with Sky for customers.

This is why I get frustrated with VM when their slowlnes in doing things damages their chance of customers choosing VM over Sky. Or even loses customers to Sky.

Sky Rule the roost on TV channels; that's a given, and it does frustrate many loyal VM customers, but they put up with it as part of the trade off for other aspects of VM that are better than Sky. But having second class TV channels is probably their major gripe (read these forums). So, when Sky announce they will be adding linear Olympic channels and VM don't make the same announcment, given a history of Sky getting a new channel and VM not getting it, people are concerened. For this reason, VM need to clear the air on this ASAP and it is why I am so vocal about it. Yes, the Olympics are a few months away, but the battle for the platform the viewers will watch it on is now.

VM seem blind to the fact that Sky will be offering fibre broadband very very soon and fast broadband is the only thing, for many customers, that has kept them with VM even though they are attracted to Sky's better TV offering. This is another reason why VM need to announce linear Olympic channels and do it now.

BTW Do you work for VM?

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Originally Posted by Emel

Lex you make a very fair point. Until recently I was happy with Virgin's Olympic offering as it was the best I could get and I ordered a Tivo.

Now that I know that it is possible to receive these streams in a recordable form it is my main entertainment priority to receive them, especially as the sports I am most interested in are likely to get poor coverage on the main channels and life means I can't be at home all the time watching an unrecordable stream.

What I would like to see now is openness from Virgin on how they will broadcast this massive national event. Virgin generally keep the new channel discussions close to their chest for commercial reasons. This, however, is a different situation as the BBC is a public broadcaster whose output is paid for by the licence fee.

I am prepared to by patient for a while but I need to know where I stand a fair bit before the Olympics. I pay Virgin over £1,000 a year and am a long term customer because for me Virgin offered the best overall package and I can't justify the expense of splitting providers.

The Olympics for me are a priority and I am soon going to have to find a way of receiving the recordable streams. Clearly the happiest solution would be if Virgin provide the streams as per Freesat and Sky. If, for whatever reason, they decide not to I am going to have to cut back on something, compromise, research the most economic solution and source a supplier in what could be a busy time.

So more than anything I need to know where I stand as soon as possible. I hope you understand my position.

Very well put.

[alwaysabear]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I am actually a very big supporter of VM. VM are in competition with Sky for customers.

This is why I get frustrated with VM when their slowlnes in doing things damages their chance of customers choosing VM over Sky. Or even loses customers to Sky.

Sky Rule the roost on TV channels; that's a given, and it does frustrate many loyal VM customers, but they put up with it as part of the trade off for other aspects of VM that are better than Sky. But having second class TV channels is probably their major gripe (read these forums). So, when Sky announce they will be adding linear Olympic channels and VM don't make the same announcment, given a history of Sky getting a new channel and VM not getting it, people are concerened. For this reason, VM need to clear the air on this ASAP and it is why I am so vocal about it. Yes, the Olympics are a few months away, but the battle for the platform the viewers will watch it on is now.

VM seem blind to the fact that Sky will be offering fibre broadband very very soon and fast broadband is the only thing, for many customers, that has kept them with VM even though they are attracted to Sky's better TV offering. This is another reason why VM need to announce linear Olympic channels and do it now.

BTW Do you work for VM?

I am sure you echo the thoughts of most on here.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I am actually a very big supporter of VM. VM are in competition with Sky for customers.

This is why I get frustrated with VM when their slowlnes in doing things damages their chance of customers choosing VM over Sky. Or even loses customers to Sky.

Sky Rule the roost on TV channels; that's a given, and it does frustrate many loyal VM customers, but they put up with it as part of the trade off for other aspects of VM that are better than Sky. But having second class TV channels is probably their major gripe (read these forums). So, when Sky announce they will be adding linear Olympic channels and VM don't make the same announcment, given a history of Sky getting a new channel and VM not getting it, people are concerened. For this reason, VM need to clear the air on this ASAP and it is why I am so vocal about it. Yes, the Olympics are a few months away, but the battle for the platform the viewers will watch it on is now.

VM seem blind to the fact that Sky will be offering fibre broadband very very soon and fast broadband is the only thing, for many customers, that has kept them with VM even though they are attracted to Sky's better TV offering. This is another reason why VM need to announce linear Olympic channels and do it now.

BTW Do you work for VM?

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Spot on PB.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by passingbat

BTW Do you work for VM?

Of course. That's the only possible reason for their POV

Come on, pb. I expected better of you.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Of course. That's the only possible reason for their POV

Come on, pb. I expected better of you.

It's a genuine question and I don't see a problem with it. The posts come accross to me as defensive of VM rather than just a point of view. All I want to know is if I'm right or wrong. I'll be happy whatever the answer and no offence was meant by the question.

[carlwaring]

Fair enough. Some people aren't quite as magnanimous as that. Because it's you, I did have second thoughts after I'd posted it

[Rillington]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I am actually a very big supporter of VM. VM are in competition with Sky for customers.

This is why I get frustrated with VM when their slowlnes in doing things damages their chance of customers choosing VM over Sky. Or even loses customers to Sky.

Sky Rule the roost on TV channels; that's a given, and it does frustrate many loyal VM customers, but they put up with it as part of the trade off for other aspects of VM that are better than Sky. But having second class TV channels is probably their major gripe (read these forums). So, when Sky announce they will be adding linear Olympic channels and VM don't make the same announcment, given a history of Sky getting a new channel and VM not getting it, people are concerned. For this reason, VM need to clear the air on this ASAP and it is why I am so vocal about it. Yes, the Olympics are a few months away, but the battle for the platform the viewers will watch it on is now.

Excellent post, and I totally agree with what you've written.