[Update] Fuel tanker drivers vote to strike

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Because it was the government (who should give out advice making allowances for people with limited intelligence), who advised people to stockpile petrol.

The government shouldn't get involved in something that they clearly don't have a clue about. And let the professionals give out the advice instead.

When I was filling up earlier there was a couple in front filling a jerry can. I said to the attendant that they should stop people doing that at the moment. Especially as there is no need to.

SPOT ON

Indeed the beeb news lunchtime political spokesman said exact same thing, said fire chiefs want the government put clear precise PUBLIC ANOUNCEMENT.

They just told him to tell people it should not be news people job they need press conference. Tell those the dangers of storing fuel, dangers of despensing.

To assume all will be inteligent is naive sadly people have to be spoon fed dangers.

[Blackened]

Seems to me that people aren't just panic buying because of the possibility of a strike any more, but are queueing to get fuel before they close stations. Let's face it, not many want to end up with no fuel (for whatever reason) so they're going to try and get some so they don't have to worry about it. Queue now while there actually is some fuel, rather than face a possibility (however slim) that more and more stations will close due to those panic buying and those buying because of the panic buyers buying it all

Originally Posted by mertle

SPOT ON

Indeed the beeb news lunchtime political spokesman said exact same thing, said fire chiefs want the government put clear precise PUBLIC ANOUNCEMENT.

They just told him to tell people it should not be news people job they need press conference. Tell those the dangers of storing fuel, dangers of despensing.

To assume all will be inteligent is naive sadly people have to be spoon fed dangers.

There is a huge difference between "assume all is (sic) intelligent" and "understanding that pouring petrol into a glass jug in a kitchen whilst cooking is bad" - if people have so little common sense, nothing anyone will say is likely to make any difference.

Should the government also issue warnings that people shouldn't iron their clothes whilst taking a shower, or that jumping out an open window on the fifth floor of a building may have a sub-optimal outcome?

We are not all morons, and to treat people as such is demeaning.

[Sirius]

Ok hands up all those who dont see a pay raise for the drivers at the end of these strikes. ?????

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There is a huge difference between "assume all is (sic) intelligent" and "understanding that pouring petrol into a glass jug in a kitchen whilst cooking is bad" - if people have so little common sense, nothing anyone will say is likely to make any difference.

Should the government also issue warnings that people shouldn't iron their clothes whilst taking a shower, or that jumping out an open window on the fifth floor of a building may have a sub-optimal outcome?

We are not all morons, and to treat people as such is demeaning.

Nobody calling anyone morons I said they should not assumed everyone knows the dangers. Yes it should be common sense fumes will ignite. Thats not even thinking about the breathing of toxin fumes longer than necessary.

IF The FIRE SERVICE DEMANDING the government to make anouncement dont you think public safety warning advice is wise. I DO.

I dont care if it was maude, cameron, osbourne or devine intervention it was bad advice. The longer the government sticks head in sand keep low approach it wont get any better.

I hope the injury to this lady is enough to warn the dangers but the lack leadership over this crisis is shocking.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by mertle

To assume all will be inteligent is naive sadly people have to be spoon fed dangers.

You might be stupid enough to listen to them i am not.

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Originally Posted by mertle

I hope the injury to this lady is enough to warn the dangers but the lack leadership over this crisis is shocking.

Was you bumping your gums this much at the last petrol strikes ???

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Hugh

A) Cameron didn't give that advice, Francis Maude did (but it was not too sensible, considering the apparent lack of common sense around at the moment), but I am sure you won't let facts impede your flow of bile and invective

B) don't you think the woman had some responsibility for pouring petrol indoors in the same room where cooking was taking place?

A) Yes Francis Maude gave out the advice as a representitive of the government. Cameron should have more control of his MP's.

B) Yes she did have responsibility. However:

Because it was the government (who should give out advice making allowances for people with limited intelligence),

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by gazzae

I don't believe I heard anyone advise people to decant petrol into a glass jug while making your tea. (maybe they mistook it for a fine Burgundy and were letting it breathe.)

Yes someone said use a Jerrycan and Cameron said top-up your car, maybe not the best advice, but to blame them for the above is nonsense.

They should make allowances for the stupidity of some people. They told people to stockpile petrol. And although we don't know for sure, we can only assume that this is what she was doing.

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Originally Posted by mertle

To assume all will be inteligent is naive sadly people have to be spoon fed dangers.

Exactly

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Originally Posted by Blackened

Seems to me that people aren't just panic buying because of the possibility of a strike any more, but are queueing to get fuel before they close stations. Let's face it, not many want to end up with no fuel (for whatever reason) so they're going to try and get some so they don't have to worry about it. Queue now while there actually is some fuel, rather than face a possibility (however slim) that more and more stations will close due to those panic buying and those buying because of the panic buyers buying it all

You have hit the nail on the head.

Although there were some people filling jerry cans when I filled up earlier.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

There is a huge difference between "assume all is (sic) intelligent" and "understanding that pouring petrol into a glass jug in a kitchen whilst cooking is bad" - if people have so little common sense, nothing anyone will say is likely to make any difference.

Should the government also issue warnings that people shouldn't iron their clothes whilst taking a shower, or that jumping out an open window on the fifth floor of a building may have a sub-optimal outcome?

We are not all morons, and to treat people as such is demeaning.

The thing is that many people think that a flame or spark has to come into contact with the petrol, and don't realise that it is the vapours that ignite. So for all we know, she could have been decanting the petrol a few feet away from the cooker, and assumed it was safe.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Sirius

You might be stupid enough to listen to them i am not.

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Was you bumping your gums this much at the last petrol strikes ???

Well thats how much you know my tank 3/4 full, last time went for fuel is 3 weeks ago I put in £12 its all I can afford.

I am restricted to driving due to health at moment.

Last time in 2000 I got stranded on holiday I filled it up left it at the camp to make sure had the fuel to get home.

I supported the stirke last time by haulage companies, farmers as they was protecting motorist interest.

I wont panick now once out petrol its out I wont panick if needs taxi if no taxis then do without.

I feel for those need it for going to work and those trying to do there jobs, due to the greed what going on. Many people unecessary filling up.

Still queues outside its crazy.

Interesting article on beeb from tanker driver

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17525461

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So you want them to say "Don't panic" in which case the sheeple will panic, or you want them to say "Actually it's OK to panic" and the sheeple will panic anyway.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

It's the "leadership" that mooted a strike in the first place that are to blame for the panic.

No, they should explain that the drivers have to give a week's notice to strike. So there will be plenty of notice.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I doubt it would make any difference whether it was tomorrow or a months time, the merest hint that something might be in short supply and the sheeple will still panic buy. At least petrol and diesel will keep for a while unlike perishables that have been hit by panic buying.

went to shop earlier only 5 loafs of bread at local store.

Just managed get one this was the weekends stock gone by friday morning annoying shopkeeper for not ordering more.

Do what I do - bake my own bread....

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do what I do - bake my own bread....

Good idea.

[chris9991]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17564277

Would this mean that the drivers will earn more money and will the longer hours be less safe?

If so surely those who voted for a stirke couldn't consciously work these longer hours, as the dispute is all about safety?

[Pog66]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do what I do - bake my own bread....

oh no - don't tell everyone.....better stockpile some Bread flour this weekend while I can