Want fuel? Need Insurance!

Originally Posted by Rob

Many police forces have relatively few dedicated traffic cops these days. Most are tasked with multiple roles. One only has to watch programmes such as Channel 5's Interceptors to realise that the "specialist" traffic units are dealing with many other things, including tactical support to other other officers.

ANPR systems are a tool in the poilicing detection system, and as the TV fly on the wall series show do detect insurance issues, but they also have validity for other policing intelligence such as vehicles sucpected to be used in crime such as drugs, bruglary, etc.

But one does have to have concern that garage owners are to be expected to do a job that should be the police. OK, so manuy uninsured drivers may also be involved in other types of crime including the make off without payment of fuel, that costs garages. Perhaps thought this is another thin end of the wedge idea towards privatisation of policing functions. Oh and if a garage were to detect the uninsured driver, do they then have a power to detain that driver, or do they just hope the police will be available before the car drives off?

Are the current ANPR systems on garage forecourts the same as the ones the police use ,do they link up to the polices database ,i ask because in other articles i have read on this such as the one linked above it seems to be an extension of already installed systems that garages have .The government also suggest it could be used for untaxed vehicles that go to garages

or do they just hope the police will be available before the car drives off

I would hope all they would do is legally require the garage to inform the police much the same as hospitals have to with regard to gun shot wounds

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by martyh

what's buying cars got to do with it ,anyone renewing insurance could fall foul of this because the system isn't quick enough

Sorry I was refering to the post above about buying a car over the BH weekend

[Sirius]

Is there not a privacy issue here, Who has access to the data and is it stored anywhere after the car leaves ?????

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The governmant of course. Welcome to Big Brother Britain: The most spied upon nation on the planet.

I am more worried about the Garage and the fuel company and who they could try to sell lucrative data to.

One wonders if anyone ever consults with anyone else about a new super idea they had in the shower that morning...

[mertle]

Originally Posted by martyh

Are the current ANPR systems on garage forecourts the same as the ones the police use ,do they link up to the polices database ,i ask because in other articles i have read on this such as the one linked above it seems to be an extension of already installed systems that garages have .The government also suggest it could be used for untaxed vehicles that go to garages



I would hope all they would do is legally require the garage to inform the police much the same as hospitals have to with regard to gun shot wounds

Would asume they just inform the police but will it be automatic system or they physically call them.

We seen the police very quick to act at ours. As its had armed hold ups allsorts trouble got quick response with police.


Just tad nugget

Wonder if ours was test bed I have noticed police nicked a car about 3 weeks ago it was in petrol station.

Our petrol station dont support jerry cans at all. Which is swine if you run out petrol you goto get the car to the forcourt.

Wonder if others will ban jerry cans.

[Hom3r]

This won't be an issue soon as driving will become a persuit of the rich.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

This won't be an issue soon as driving will become a persuit of the rich.

Then they will not have to spend money on improving the roads because only the rich, MP's and lorries will use them.

[Ramrod]

Great idea but the devil is in the detail......I don't trust the buggers to get the details correct.
Only last week my wife thought that on Feb14th (valentines day!!) I had been 50 miles away from where she thought I was all because she opened a letter stating that I had incurred a parking fine somewhere where I had no reason to go!
.......the council had mistyped the car registration!

[Lord Nikon]

I can see the Jerry can becoming a cause for suspicion of driving uninsured on a forecourt if this ludicrous bill passes, but that will raise a further problem...

What about non-vehicular fuel purchases? To the best of my knowledge Stihl saws, strimmers and lawnmowers don't require road insurance, neither would petrol generators etc.

All of which you would purchase fuel for using a Jerry can.

After all, if you are 2 miles or more from your petrol station it would be most inconvenient to take the relevant powertool or generator there to fill up just to prove you aren't fuelling a vehicle.

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

This won't be an issue soon as driving will become a persuit of the rich.

Very true as I have just got a Trap and just need the horse's now

[mertle]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Very true as I have just got a Trap and just need the horse's now

I have actually seen rag and bone man times must be hard.

It was even horse and cart amazing sight but surely times not this hard people moving into hardship trades like this.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Luxury!

You'll be lucky to afford a horse. We'll all be pushing our own carts.

BAH when I was young we had to crawl hand and knees till they bled with our goods on our back it was luxury own cart.

[thenry]

Few tips to save money filling up your tank
http://mashtips.com/tips-for-filling...your-vehicles/

[Escapee]

http://www.mib.org.uk/Motor+Insuranc...e/en/MID+Faqs/

The system is already flawed, my insurance policy is regarded as a fleet policy, that is renewed on a monthly basis. This means that every month my vehicles may not be on the database for up to 14 days. (Some insurance companies consider this to be 14 working days)

I have been stopped by the police and fortunately I use my mobile to take a picture of the policy when it arrives each month. On this occasion the officer was very understanding, but I some police forces take what the MID says as 100% accurate and enough of a reason to impound your vehicle. MID do not claim that their database is 100% accurate.

The MID can be updated 24/7. So, depending on the insurance provider and the organisation loading your data to the MID, it can be updated within a few hours. For some insurers the process is a little longer and may take a few days.

The insurance companies have a target of 7 days to get your data onto the MID (unless your policy is a commercial, fleet or motor trade policy, in which case the target is 14 days) but the vast majority of the data is on the MID within a couple of days

I'm not sure if these are the latest costs.

If the police then have reason to believe the vehicle or driver may be uninsured, they can impound the vehicle and request adequate proof of insurance to release it. Even if adequate proof of insurance is subsequently provided, an automatic charge of around £120 is made for the release of the vehicle, plus an additional charge for each day that the vehicle has been impounded (up to 14 days – at which point the vehicle is destroyed)

I did a bit of digging around last year after I got stopped and found details on the accuracy and the number of taxed cars on our roads, my conclusion that every day there was somewhere approaching a million cars that were not on the MID.