Welfare bill becomes law: Cameron, your deceitful lies will catch you

Stay on topic or the topic shall be closed and infractions handed out. This is about the welfare bill.

Too many topics are hijacked like this. It must stop.

[mertle]

further what I said anybody interested reading up PIP reform assesment criteria.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-secon...teria-note.pdf


Those who need it big print

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-secon...arge-print.pdf

It will at least give you idea what will happen from next year.

[Gary L]

Can someone explain this 'Bedroom tax' baloney to me?

If you google "bedroom tax", this appears second in the list - BBC

The government wants its new Universal Credit - which would be introduced by the bill from 2013 - to include an "under-occupancy" penalty for council and housing association tenants, who are considered to have more rooms than they need. Currently they are allowed to have one spare bedroom.

Those judged to have one extra bedroom would lose 14% of housing benefit a week, those with two or more extra rooms would lose 25%, if they do not move to a smaller property. Critics call it the "bedroom tax.

[Gary L]

Thanks. so thousands of people on benefits will fall foul of this 'tax' then.
they'd have to find the shortfall of money out of their benefits to pay this tax. which will be approx £12 a week on average.

unless they get a smaller house which the council won't have available to give them.
the government will have to increase their benefit to make up the shortfall of the minimum the law says they need to live on. (unless it's not law anymore)

I think as long as you've registered with the council that you require a smaller property. then the tax shouldn't be liable.

how long it takes them to find you that smaller property is up to them. it's not the tenants responsibility. and it would be criminal to not give them a smaller property so as to avoid the tax.

it's madness. it's almost as mad as the old window tax.

Now I am opening this thread.Any more off topic posting will be removed and there WILL be infractions.

Originally Posted by mertle

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press...wp023-12.shtml

Notice again another news blackout this horrendous passing of the final hurdle. No because the media KNOW lies by the coalitiion passed from these hypocrites mouths. Bunch fascist crooks in power decided to put britian into 1930's Germany.

Should disabled peaceful protest to the royals for passing the worst bill in years to be passed.

It makes you sick whats going on how these bigoted I really want to swear destroying safety nets GENUININE DISABLED for those bigoted poster on here.

what's this got to do with the royals ?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

what's this got to do with the royals ?

Nothing if you ask me.

Originally Posted by mertle

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press...wp023-12.shtml

Notice again another news blackout .

What news blackout ? it's been all over the news since the coalition came to power

[dilli-theclaw]

I must admit I've not been short of news about this, been following it via my mp and via RNIB.

And it was announced on the BBC last week when it passed in the House of Lords - the Royal Assent is merely a formality.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And it was announced on the BBC last week when it passed in the House of Lords - the Royal Assent is merely a formality.

not the formality you think she can act if its against the people. read the following although primary work with close relationships she can make here disaproval of the bill.

http://www.monarchist.org.uk/the-que...overnment.html

For people said been in the news yes lords one correct but refering to it being sanctioned by the queen.

This off topic The storms coming fear this country going down the craphole with this I am alright jack. Guess what these wont call them humanity would first to scream when the safety nets not in place anymore. I hope they drive safely from there middle upper class jobs because if they had car crash which made them disabled find there no help financial help is desperately needed due to disabilty. No would not ridicule them I would feel sorry for them but would hope they reflected on why they supported a stupid bill that they one day would rue. We need to fight this bill.

It was rushed horrid bill like many said, changes was needed to stop abuse to streamline it so people got what rightfully they could claim. Nope all we got was destruction and demolition of safety nets. Pompous lies about we will protect the real disabled rubbish.

I even question if there was different circumstances to chamerons life attacks on disabled would not happened.

Not a mere formality?

Could you please provide an example where she has withheld Royal Assent, as it states in your link

The Royal Assent (consenting to a measure in which the Sovereign signs and bill into law) has not been refused since the creation of the United Kingdom in 1707.

btw, you seem ignorant of the fact the Camerons' son Ivan was severely disabled, with cerebral palsy and epilepsy, and died at the age of six in 2009.

Originally Posted by mertle

not the formality you think she can act if its against the people. read the following although primary work with close relationships she can make here disaproval of the bill.

http://www.monarchist.org.uk/the-que...overnment.html

For people said been in the news yes lords one correct but refering to it being sanctioned by the queen.

This off topic The storms coming fear this country going down the craphole with this I am alright jack. Guess what these wont call them humanity would first to scream when the safety nets not in place anymore. I hope they drive safely from there middle upper class jobs because if they had car crash which made them disabled find there no help financial help is desperately needed due to disabilty. No would not ridicule them I would feel sorry for them but would hope they reflected on why they supported a stupid bill that they one day would rue. We need to fight this bill.

It was rushed horrid bill like many said, changes was needed to stop abuse to streamline it so people got what rightfully they could claim. Nope all we got was destruction and demolition of safety nets. Pompous lies about we will protect the real disabled rubbish.

I even question if there was different circumstances to chamerons life attacks on disabled would not happened.

You are going off topic again..

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mertle

feel free to edit it for me then but there is sometimes you cant as there limit on what you can do which happened before on thread which got accused it made no sense you need to go text speak at times.

I am disgusted at royals for this openess of giving her subjects who need help a good kicking.

I am officially now no longer supporter of the queen she let down many many people. Lords can goto hell too for destroying many disabled lives. I hope the lot rot in hell.

One of the disgraceful moves in the bill was removal of the giving a crisis loan to those who dont realise think it was handout its PAID back every penny.

Then the propaganda media never enphasised this made it sound like free junket. People used it to get fridges, even new suit for interviews to look smart. These vunerable now got only loan sharks left to goto.

I found this website on pip alot disabled now organising the fight for there rights. Sadly some the charities got juped it still going on with styche. I would question who those charities where who supported proposals there background if they came from middle class did they ever have true support of the disabled. I am questioning everything think the whole thing smells rotten to the core.

http://wearespartacus.org.uk/pip/

Social Fund Crisis Loans are to be replaced by locally administered discretionary schemes.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Thanks. so thousands of people on benefits will fall foul of this 'tax' then.
they'd have to find the shortfall of money out of their benefits to pay this tax. which will be approx £12 a week on average.

unless they get a smaller house which the council won't have available to give them.
the government will have to increase their benefit to make up the shortfall of the minimum the law says they need to live on. (unless it's not law anymore)

I think as long as you've registered with the council that you require a smaller property. then the tax shouldn't be liable.

how long it takes them to find you that smaller property is up to them. it's not the tenants responsibility. and it would be criminal to not give them a smaller property so as to avoid the tax.

it's madness. it's almost as mad as the old window tax.

Housing Benefit/Local Housing Allowance can legally be reduced, even if paying the shortfall in rent leads to the claimant living below the poverty line.

Housing Benefit/Local Housing Allowance are to be abolished, with claimants having to pay their rent from the new Universal Credit.

Originally Posted by mertle

not the formality you think she can act if its against the people. read the following although primary work with close relationships she can make here disaproval of the bill.

http://www.monarchist.org.uk/the-que...overnment.html

For people said been in the news yes lords one correct but refering to it being sanctioned by the queen.

This off topic The storms coming fear this country going down the craphole with this I am alright jack. Guess what these wont call them humanity would first to scream when the safety nets not in place anymore. I hope they drive safely from there middle upper class jobs because if they had car crash which made them disabled find there no help financial help is desperately needed due to disabilty. No would not ridicule them I would feel sorry for them but would hope they reflected on why they supported a stupid bill that they one day would rue. W need to fight this bill.

It was rushed horrid bill like many said, changes was needed to stop abuse to streamline it so people got what rightfully they could claim. Nope all we got was destruction and demolition of safety nets. Pompous lies about we will protect the real disabled rubbish.

I even question if there was different circumstances to chamerons life attacks on disabled would not happened.

I don't believe the queen has ever exercised her right to refuse to sign a bill. There were rumours that, when Thatcher talked of privatising the Post Office in the 80's, that she said she would refuse to sign as she was reported to have said "the Royal Mail it is and the Royal Mail it will stay".

Even if this were to be true, it looks like she may have mellowed as the last Government and this coalition have talked about privatising the Post Office since then.