Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Nopanic

I don't disagree, but some of the guys in Swansea really know their stuff and they are willing to learn.

Again though to echo your comments, the dock will be missed.

You can tell which ones know their stuff and which ones don't and it is painfully obvious who they are.

The long term guys are fine but it is some of the newer ones who get stuff wrong a person in Grad bay would get right and some are .

[Nopanic]

Originally Posted by Peter_

You can tell which ones know their stuff and which ones don't and it is painfully obvious who they are.

The long term guys are fine but it is some of the newer ones who get stuff wrong a person in Grad bay would get right and some are .

They have Grad bay there for them too

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Nopanic

They have Grad bay there for them too

Not quite what I meant but you already know that.

I did speak to one in grad bay and the issue was obvious but still he had to ask a floor walker.

Now that is behind me and I start my new job tomorrow but not mentioning it for personal and other reasons as per this and another thread.

[Nopanic]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Not quite what I meant but you already know that.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Nopanic

I don't disagree, but some of the guys in Swansea really know their stuff and they are willing to learn.

Again though to echo your comments, the dock will be missed.

I recently watched a programme about Albert Dock many years ago, when dock workers were being made redundant because of changes to industry practice.

The same thing has now happened with the affected VM employees (but it could and should have been handled a lot better) and will no doubt happen again to other people in the future.

The world of work constantly changes and I do not see that changing anytime soon, in fact it will soon start to change in a faster and more extreme way than, even a few years ago, anybody could possibly have imagined.

No matter what ones personal beliefs are about the subject, in order to stand a chance of remaining relevant in the workplace, employees are going to have to get ever used to more flexible and innovative ways of working. This includes doing more, for less with decreasing resources.

A lot of people will resent this, but, unfortunately, the worst is yet to come as people face the stark choice of rising to the challenge or falling by the wayside (and don't expect/rely on the Government to step in to help- they may not be in a position to be able to).

Sorry to be so despondent, but forewarned is forearmed.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I recently watched a programme about Albert Dock many years ago, when dock workers were being made redundant because of changes to industry practice.

The same thing has now happened with the affected VM employees (but it could and should have been handled a lot better) and will no doubt happen again to other people in the future.

The world of work constantly changes and I do not see that changing anytime soon, in fact it will soon start to change in a faster and more extreme way than, even a few years ago, anybody could possibly have imagined.

No matter what ones personal beliefs are about the subject, in order to stand a chance of remaining relevant in the workplace, employees are going to have to get ever used to more flexible and innovative ways of working. This includes doing more, for less with decreasing resources.

A lot of people will resent this, but, unfortunately, the worst is yet to come as people face the stark choice of rising to the challenge or falling by the wayside (and don't expect/rely on the Government to step in to help- they may not be in a position to be able to).

Sorry to be so despondent, but forewarned is forearmed.

I think we already know things are changeing quickly we have been told the above by governments for years.

[RichardCoulter]

You make a very valid point, but this time it's "for real".

A lot of my time is spent analysing financial issues and I have never known things to be this bad. ALL of my business contacts report trading difficulties to a greater or lesser extent and some are hanging on only by a thread.

Even well respected financial experts are now alarmed at the future prospects for most of the world, including the UK.

Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary solutions and it is my belief that the old social, class, political etc divisions that many cling onto must be cast aside so that we can all work together to get through this.

As disposable income continues to fall, VM, like all other businesses, must continue to be run as efficiently as possible. The austerity measures taken by the Government haven't even filtered through yet. Massive voluntary/public sector job losses, tax rises, benefit cuts are all on the way.

I have reduced the amount that I draw from my own company and in turn have had to reduce my personal outgoings. Because I reduced the hours of my cleaner, she says that she no longer goes to the bowling alley midweek to balance her books. It's like a pack of cards, as people receive less, they spend less and this has a knock on effect on the employees of the businesses that they spend money at.

Another example is Pay TV. In previous recessions, Pay TV has done well as people see it as a cheaper form of entertainment than, say, a night out. As disposable income continues to fall dramatically, people will face a stark choice of Sky Movies or paying the mortgage.

A lot of employees seem to distrust their employer, when, in reality, most are fair and want the best for their workforce.

I have ensured that all of our staff have been informed as to why unpopular measures have had to be taken to ensure the future of the business and, consequently, their employment.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You make a very valid point, but this time it's "for real".

A lot of my time is spent analysing financial issues and I have never known things to be this bad. ALL of my business contacts report trading difficulties to a greater or lesser extent and some are hanging on only by a thread.

Even well respected financial experts are now alarmed at the future prospects for most of the world, including the UK.

Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary solutions and it is my belief that the old social, class, political etc divisions that many cling onto must be cast aside so that we can all work together to get through this.

As disposable income continues to fall, VM, like all other businesses, must continue to be run as efficiently as possible. The austerity measures taken by the Government haven't even filtered through yet. Massive voluntary/public sector job losses, tax rises, benefit cuts are all on the way.

I have reduced the amount that I draw from my own company and in turn have had to reduce my personal outgoings. Because I reduced the hours of my cleaner, she says that she no longer goes to the bowling alley midweek to balance her books. It's like a pack of cards, as people receive less, they spend less and this has a knock on effect on the employees of the businesses that they spend money at.

Another example is Pay TV. In previous recessions, Pay TV has done well as people see it as a cheaper form of entertainment than, say, a night out. As disposable income continues to fall dramatically, people will face a stark choice of Sky Movies or paying the mortgage.

A lot of employees seem to distrust their employer, when, in reality, most are fair and want the best for their workforce.

I have ensured that all of our staff have been informed as to why unpopular measures have had to be taken to ensure the future of the business and, consequently, their employment.

You must want to go back to the past and the image below seems to be what you believe the future should be, how sad.



Next you will be advocating a return to the workhouse because you see others as a lower class little better than animals.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Peter_

You must want to go back to the past and the image below seems to be what you believe the future should be, how sad.



Next you will be advocating a return to the workhouse because you see others as a lower class little better than animals.

Maybe we should doff our cap and say "yes sir right away sir kiss your arse sir" Maybe lick the bosses boots as well

It would save me a fortune in shoe polish......

Let's not tar all managers with the same brush, please.....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Let's not tar all managers with the same brush, please.....

Agreed

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Peter_

You must want to go back to the past and the image below seems to be what you believe the future should be, how sad.



Next you will be advocating a return to the workhouse because you see others as a lower class little better than animals.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Maybe we should doff our cap and say "yes sir right away sir kiss your arse sir" Maybe lick the bosses boots as well

These are excellent examples of the old fashioned attitudes that have no relevance in the modern workplace.

It's not a case of myself thinking that this is how it should be, it's how it will be.

I believe that most people, including yourselves, are not aware of how serious the situation is. If we are to have any chance of surviving as a country, you and many other people are going to have to significantly undergo a change in attitude in order to simply survive.

For example, one employer has imposed an extra five weeks holiday a year (unpaid) and largely expects the same amount of productivity.

Of course, this change to a contract of employment could not legally be done without the written agreement of the employee. Were they happy to do so, of course not. Did they sign the documents, yes. Why? Because this prevented even more redundancies.

Can you have imagined this scenario, even a few years ago?

I won't dwell on this, as one day in the future, even though you don't yet know it, you will realise that you have little choice but to adapt.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

For example, one employer has imposed an extra five weeks holiday a year (unpaid) and largely expects the same amount of productivity.

A breach of the Working Time Regulations 1998 and the company should be prosecuted for such ignorance.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

These are excellent examples of the old fashioned attitudes that have no relevance in the modern workplace.

It's not a case of myself thinking that this is how it should be, it's how it will be.

I believe that most people, including yourselves, are not aware of how serious the situation is. If we are to have any chance of surviving as a country, you and many other people are going to have to significantly undergo a change in attitude in order to simply survive.

For example, one employer has imposed an extra five weeks holiday a year (unpaid) and largely expects the same amount of productivity.

Of course, this change to a contract of employment could not legally be done without the written agreement of the employee. Were they happy to do so, of course not. Did they sign the documents, yes. Why? Because this prevented even more redundancies.

Can you have imagined this scenario, even a few years ago?

I won't dwell on this, as one day in the future, even though you don't yet know it, you will realise that you have little choice but to adapt.

Thank you for your attempt at giving us attitude adjustments.

I have looked at what you have stated and can now confirm that as you do not know me or anyone else on this forum and based on my or there day to day work it means what you are saying has no relevance. Your constant questioning of vm staff about what they do, what they think of there employer and employment has nothing to do with you what so ever and frankly it is starting to look a lot like stalking.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Peter_

A breach of the Working Time Regulations 1998 and the company should be prosecuted for such ignorance.

Would you care to elaborate and share your knowledge with the rest of us?

I can then run it by the company solicitor.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Thank you for your attempt at giving us attitude adjustments.

I have looked at what you have stated and can now confirm that as you do not know me or anyone else on this forum and based on my or there day to day work it means what you are saying has no relevance. Your constant questioning of vm staff about what they do, what they think of there employer and employment has nothing to do with you what so ever and frankly it is starting to look a lot like stalking.

As previously explained, if you have a problem with me or any other member of Cable Forum, you should use the ignore facility.

I do hope that you show your manager and colleagues more respect.