Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I just heard something on radio news about a cruise ship being turned away from Argentina, because it had previously visited the Falklands.

This story doesn't appear to be on the BBC news website yet though.

You sure you;re not getting confused with the Star Princess that was refused docking in mid January due to some of it's passengers suffering from the norovirus. It wasn't Argentina that blocked the ship but instead the Falklands as a norovirus outbreak would have a major effect on the Falklands

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

You sure you;re not getting confused with the Star Princess that was refused docking in mid January due to some of it's passengers suffering from the norovirus. It wasn't Argentina that blocked the ship but instead the Falklands as a norovirus outbreak would have a major effect on the Falklands

I was only half listening, but I don't know why that would have been on the news headlines 20 minutes ago.

[Kymmy]

Maybe because the falklands is still current news, so stories associated with it tend to hang on.. You never know though it might be a totally different story

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And it is a separate story

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/ship..._to_Argentina/

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Maybe because the falklands is still current news, so stories associated with it tend to hang on.. You never know though it might be a totally different story

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And it is a separate story

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/ship..._to_Argentina/

Thanks Kymmy...I'm not going mad after all

[Digital Fanatic]

It's also being reported on the Falklands own newspapers site:

http://www.penguin-news.com/index.ph...from-falklands

HE Argentine government of Tierra del Fuego has denied entry to the cruise vessel Star Princess into its port of Ushuaia on its journey from the Falkland Islands.

The ban is based on a law that prohibits British or Falklands flagged vessels, or vessels with flags of convenience that have worked in Falklands waters, from entering Tierra del Fuego ports.

The sign banning 'English pirate ships' from the port of Ushuaia

The recently introduced law, Provincial Act No 852 called the Gaucho Rivero law, was brought in by Argentine transport unions.

The action will mean the loss of a significant amount of income to the Argentine port, as vessels are likely to use Chilean ports instead.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. I wonder if the union members will feel the same when they're laid off due to lack of trade?

Fine if that's what they want then that's what they get.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. I wonder if the union members will feel the same when they're laid off due to lack of trade?

Well it sounds like they have had enough money out of the UK.

The funny thing is that it will be just another stop for the cruise ship, and probably won't be much of a big deal for most of the passengers. But for the tourist industry near the port in Argentina, it could be a huge financial blow.

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It's on the BBC News site now:

Two cruise ships carrying almost 3,000 passengers have been turned away from an Argentine port, apparently because they had visited the Falklands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17184955

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

It's also being reported on the Falklands own newspapers site:

http://www.penguin-news.com/index.ph...from-falklands

This is madness!

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17157373

Reading the BBC article, we are well prepaired, except in terms of Aircraft carriers!

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

This is madness!

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17157373

Reading the BBC article, we are well prepaired, except in terms of Aircraft carriers!

The Falklands are well defended, don't worry. The islands had no defence in 1982, so the Argentinians walked in.

It's easier to defend than to liberate.

[Osem]

I wonder if the Argentinians would feel it justified for us to stop all flights to the Falklands made by the families and loved ones of those Argentinians buried there. In not stooping to their level we show oursleves to have the moral as well as geographical high ground.

The Argentinian economy is in crisis I believe, it's their loss to turning away 3000 people with money to spend. But what I cannot wait to hear this week is what their second rate celebrity supporter, Sean Penn has to say on the matter.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

The Falklands are well defended, don't worry. The islands had no defence in 1982, so the Argentinians walked in.

It's easier to defend than to liberate.

Don't forget 'pride comes before a fall'

Many military leaders have underestimated their enemy in the past, and paid for it.

It only takes one lucky shot, or one glitch in the defence radar to lose a ship.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Don't forget 'pride comes before a fall'

Many military leaders have underestimated their enemy in the past, and paid for it.

It only takes one lucky shot, or one glitch in the defence radar to lose a ship.

Lucky shots tend to be one in a million, the missiles that hit Sheffield, coventry and the support ships would not have got through to hit a type 45.. It's also doubtful if the exocet would even lock onto a type 45..

But you seem to be so negative, anyone would think you want the argies to win????

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Lucky shots tend to be one in a million, the missiles that hit Sheffield, coventry and the support ships would not have got through to hit a type 45.. It's also doubtful if the exocet would even lock onto a type 45..

But you seem to be so negative, anyone would think you want the argies to win????

Will you stop having this "we can never be beaten attitude", it is so arrogant!

I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic.

We may have better technology than them, and we may have more forces there than we did last time. However if they threw everything they have at us, then our forces could quite easily be overwhelmed.

Remember the Taliban are still killing our soldiers even though they don't have anywhere near the sort of technology that we have.

I personally don't want any British serviceman killed. And if Argentina think they have a chance, then there could be a lot of bloodshed. As I have said from the start of this thread, if we had aircraft carriers in the area, then they wouldn't dare even to try.

However their special forces are highly respected.

Most military thinkers agree they offer the only credible threat through a surprise attack on Mt Pleasant. One scenario might be a civilian airliner packed with special forces to divert to Mt Pleasant, says Colonel Southby-Tailyour. "It would take a very brave politician to shoot down a civilian airliner in cold blood. The Argentine forces are good. They could jump out and shoot everything up."

What would be interesting would be to find out the actual strength of the Argentine military.

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Originally Posted by Mick

The Argentinian economy is in crisis I believe, it's their loss to turning away 3000 people with money to spend. But what I cannot wait to hear this week is what their second rate celebrity supporter, Sean Penn has to say on the matter.

[Kymmy]

I never said we can never be beaten, what I am saying is that 40 year old technology has a tendency of always being beaten by up to date technology.. The argies haven't updated any of their aircraft, armaments..etc since the last so called war.. This time they can't sneak up on us (I wonder how many military sats UK/US..etc are pointing at their coastline/bases) and the current complement (with or without the type 45's even) could cope with an invasion comparable to what they did in the 80's..

If anyone has got a defeatist mentality then go join up..