The NHS reform discussion thread - Page 6

Chrysalis · 24-02-2012, 08:01

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Originally Posted by martyh

Why sadly ? .Too many people are unhappy with the NHS in it's current form ,my wife has been waiting 18 months because of continual cancelations,i tried to make an appointment with my gp a few months back ,trouble is they don't make appointments any more you phone up(between 8-9am) and see if any doctor is available that day if not you have to phone the next day and so on ,it's pathetic ,the whole nhs needs tearing down and rebuilding

Have you even read this thread?

Mainly because politicions get too hot headed (or whoever is telling them what to do) and tend to change too much at once. We see this time and time again with reforms.

Competition within the NHS itself is probably a good thing but not bringing in the private sector.

I can see ATOS bidding for contracts for a start.

I agree with you on the appointments but thats no reason to rebuild it, all that needs is an order from the health department to GP surgeries telling them its compulsory to allow advance appointments, job done. Of course government wont do that because precious waiting list times will go up. This same issue will likely exist after a rebuild for the same reason.

24-02-2012, 08:12

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Originally Posted by martyh

If you read what the reforms are all about then you will find that freedom of choice is one of the changes

you may this informative

Patients may have the "right " to choose a GP but if that GP is oversubscribed the GP will have the "right" also to not have that patient on their books.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Have you even read this thread?

Mainly because politicions get too hot headed (or whoever is telling them what to do) and tend to change too much at once. We see this time and time again with reforms.

Competition within the NHS itself is probably a good thing but not bringing in the private sector.

I can see ATOS bidding for contracts for a start.

I agree with you on the appointments but thats no reason to rebuild it, all that needs is an order from the health department to GP surgeries telling them its compulsory to allow advance appointments, job done. Of course government wont do that because precious waiting list times will go up. This same issue will likely exist after a rebuild for the same reason.

I agree with the points you make.

dilli-theclaw · 24-02-2012, 08:23

ATOS and the NHS - now there's two things I don't want to see working together.

24-02-2012, 08:26

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

ATOS and the NHS - now there's two things I don't want to see working together.

Believe you me you would not want to see some of the PFI companies and the NHS working together either.

Alan Fry · 24-02-2012, 09:39

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Or you could look them up.....

Oz

Deutschland

10 seconds of effort.

I have read both of these articles, and I think that a model like that might work, but without competition and NHS still as one organsation, but we all need to have higher wages to compensate (for heath insurance costs) and to have that we need to have less restrictions on unions!

mertle · 26-02-2012, 22:39

Can modes put new info in title

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17169519

Former NHS CHief Lord Crisp calls the bill a mess confused and confusing will put the NHS backwards. He goes on its a Great Mistake its mess and unecessary in many way and misses the point.

Simply wow this worry to the least The government intend bully through a heap of rubbish.

What we need is the best bits with all sides shaping the bill if it means labour/cons/libs NHS staff to do it then so bit.

Just maybe with that lot singing same hym will get NHS to be proud off. Surely its not hard to get all around table thrash out bill everyone agrees too.

Capricorn · 28-02-2012, 20:00

On the last few occasions, I have phoned at 8am for emergency appts for my wife and got appts within the hour. Sure the NHS has its faults but what the Tories are proposing is just the start of a slippery slope towards what all Tories really love...putting money before people.

I heard a complaint by one of our patients (I work in a hospital) who said that the Doctor was rude to her. What had happened was that the patient had trotted out that old chestnut about the NHS being like a third worl"d system and the doctor had replied "where I come from, you'd be left to die in the street". People are too quick to moan and gripe about the NHS. Of course, we all have a choice right now to pay for private medical insurance.

Chrysalis · 28-02-2012, 21:56

I feel the NHS strength is its emergency reaction, so been left to die in the street in other countries we better in that respect.

However I still feel we poor on chronic non life threatening illnesses, we also have a poor record with cancer.

**Damien** · 20-03-2012, 18:55

Well this is all set to pass. Can't understand why the Liberal Democrats supported this, it surely deeply unpopular with their core voters and any floating Labour voters.

mertle · 20-03-2012, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well this is all set to pass. Can't understand why the Liberal Democrats supported this, it surely deeply unpopular with their core voters and any floating Labour voters.

government say will be even installed next we after lords now passed it.

The arrogance the trash cabinet banging there hands on table with glee to no doubt the millions which they well get. Theres no other reason other personal gain why the NHS being destroyed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17447992

This very disturbing how open the bill is to introduce more privatisation. Not just that many things will now go paywall.

http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d2996.full

Hell its noticable the crooked way beeb reported whole affair demo's ignored as media blackout ensued. Even when doctor nurses, disabled was faced with guns and kettled despite a peaceful demo. The worlds news ignored this hope they all rot in hell.

Alan Fry · 22-03-2012, 07:12

The NHS bill is a waste of time and money and all it will do is destory the NHS and nothing but a sell off of the NHS

Really shows how bad this government is

denphone · 22-03-2012, 07:24

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The NHS bill is a waste of time and money and all it will do is destory the NHS and nothing but a sell off of the NHS

Really shows how bad this government is

Well there is a ballot box to show your disgust Alan and if you are unhappy with things use it.

**Chris** · 22-03-2012, 10:10

The NHS is the State religion, Heero, and attempting to reform it is heresy.

Chrysalis · 22-03-2012, 10:20

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Originally Posted by denphone

Well there is a ballot box to show your disgust Alan and if you are unhappy with things use it.

so once every 4-5 years he gets to show his disgust and should be quiet the rest of the time?

if he is in a safe area that voice also means nothing.

denphone · 22-03-2012, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

so once every 4-5 years he gets to show his disgust and should be quiet the rest of the time?

if he is in a safe area that voice also means nothing.

Did l say he should be quiet no l did not as everybody is entitled to a opinion but there is a opinion and then there is Mr AF and there is a big difference between the two Chrysalis.