Superhub : can we really write it off?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes. The VMNG300 was a vnity boxed Ubee U10c035 CM with 4 upstream channels available.

http://www.ubeeinteractive.com/data-...t_V5_12_10.pdf

I would have expected it to be this one - EuroDOCSIS rather than DOCIS

http://www.ubeeinteractive.com/data-...s_4x4_v1.1.pdf

and which has one upstream not four

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

I would have expected it to be this one - EuroDOCSIS rather than DOCIS

http://www.ubeeinteractive.com/data-...s_4x4_v1.1.pdf

and which has one upstream not four

From Sephiroth's link...

 DOCSIS 3.0/Euro DOCSIS 3.0 Certified

Ubee just being lazy with the datasheet.

[Andrewcrawford23]

i think this topic should be amended to can we write the superhub off to we cant write the superhub off now it goign to be standard or forced onto all cusotmer thorugh speed ugprade

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

From Sephiroth's link...

 DOCSIS 3.0/Euro DOCSIS 3.0 Certified

Ubee just being lazy with the datasheet.

Also according to this discussion about the pilot http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34661644-post579.html The VMNG300 was only 'bronze' certified:

The modems for launch will as you rightly say be Bronze Only.. The Upstream Cards from Cisco are also only Bronze capable

and he then goes on to say http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34662261-post590.html:

well its assumed i guess that someone will finally get some "silver" (bonded upstream) and perhaps even "gold" (all the spec) certified chipsets passed, into Mass production , and slaped on some new OEM PCB motherboard design by that start of the VM National rollout time.....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34662276-post593.html

even the DS3 "Bronze" Ambit is fine for 4x40Mbit downstreams, it only does 1x30Mbit upstream so thats a max of 160Mbit down, and 30Mbit up , well above any speeds

So that reads to me that the VMNG300 was based off a modem that was only capable of a single upstream

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

the vmng300 appears to never use a different upstream channel than the first one it connects to, craig also confirmed this behaviour. That is a major downside to the device sadly.

I've seen it move between Ch1 & Ch2 when I had the VMNG300. I can see it in the records I kept.

[daveyg99]

The superhub worked absolutley fine, I had it on 5ghz because of congestion on the 2.4ghz frequency.
Last week I bought a e4200 and now use modem mode.
The only advantage I can see, the range of 2.4ghz frequency is greater on the e4200. The 5ghz is only marginally better than the SH in range

So, all in all no major differences from a performance perspective such as streaming/gaming etc between the e4200 and the superhub for my use. Of course there will be tech savy folk who want vlans and other flashy gizmos in their home and all that, malarky but not me.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I've seen it move between Ch1 & Ch2 when I had the VMNG300. I can see it in the records I kept.

yes but me and craig didnt.

several months of using the device and it has never ever changed upstream channel.

During the time I was also using the superhub I was able to get it to switch channels.

Craig changed to the superhub last week and was immediatly able to switch channels after not been able to switch using the vmng300 at all.

its possible only your channel id changed or you had work done by VM forcefully changing the channel.

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by daveyg99

The superhub worked absolutley fine, I had it on 5ghz because of congestion on the 2.4ghz frequency.
Last week I bought a e4200 and now use modem mode.
The only advantage I can see, the range of 2.4ghz frequency is greater on the e4200. The 5ghz is only marginally better than the SH in range

So, all in all no major differences from a performance perspective such as streaming/gaming etc between the e4200 and the superhub for my use. Of course there will be tech savy folk who want vlans and other flashy gizmos in their home and all that, malarky but not me.

you make me want to cry dude, the e4200 kicks ass over the shub, you can't even begin to compare the two and it makes me sad that you can't see it. The thing which I don't understand is why you bought if you don't want to use the amazing raft of features on it.

I am happy for you though, even though you dont know it, you have got an amazing router and if VM gave all their customers one of these instead of a shub the world would be a better place and they would be the best isp ever.

[kwikbreaks]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

..if VM gave all their customers one of these instead of a shub the world would be a better place and they would be the best isp ever.

Yeah right. If I could fix all of my connection issues by splashing out on a fancy router then, as an encore, I'd celebrate by walking across the Channel and picking up some cheap booze. All an ISP needs to do to be good is provide some halfway decent CPE and a connection that isn't congested to hell in any area they operate. Sadly VM fail on both. At least they've re-opened the option for customers to use their own router now by giving in to demand and providing a modem mode.

[daveyg99]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

you make me want to cry dude, the e4200 kicks ass over the shub, you can't even begin to compare the two and it makes me sad that you can't see it. The thing which I don't understand is why you bought if you don't want to use the amazing raft of features on it.

I am happy for you though, even though you dont know it, you have got an amazing router and if VM gave all their customers one of these instead of a shub the world would be a better place and they would be the best isp ever.

To be honest I'm not that great with technology; at work I ring, I.T my management reports have not run, where are they?

I have lots of 2.4 ghz devices as well as a few 5Ghz and Nas storage I was recommended to purchase the e4200.

I did look through cicsco forums to help me configure it even uploaded new firmware; Yes, it's certainly a clever device. I could probably get much more out of it, but unsure of it's capabilities really and how to maximize it's potential, any ideas welcome!

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

yes but me and craig didnt.

several months of using the device and it has never ever changed upstream channel.

During the time I was also using the superhub I was able to get it to switch channels.

Craig changed to the superhub last week and was immediatly able to switch channels after not been able to switch using the vmng300 at all.

its possible only your channel id changed or you had work done by VM forcefully changing the channel.

the only time mine changed was when thee was a reseg, apart from that it stuck, as i said the superhub 'sticks' in the same way, only it has the ability to factory reset and lose its channel preference

[kwikbreaks]

It's really more a case of needing to do something then checking if the router supports it than looking through the features and seeing what you can do with them.

For example from memory the Superhub didn't support port translation but that won't bother you one iota if you don't see a need for using that option and cause you to curse if you need it but it isn't supported.

One feature it may have which the SH doesn't is QoS - playing with that is a great way for the unwary to bork their speeds. Similarly fiddling with a fully fledged router firewall should see folks who are just dabbling lose their internet as easy as pie.

There's plenty more ways to screw things up too.

This is why VM limit the features on their CPE and why the Superhub suits lots of people who aren't geeks.

You've bought a router that does some stuff you needed that the Superhub didn't support. No need to feel you need to use features that are there but which you don't need.

[qasdfdsaq]

Pretty much every decent router on the planet for half a decade has had some form of QoS