Do we need a United States Of Europe

Originally Posted by Sirius

I want a common market the same as the one we signed up for.



I do not want other country's to control this country's budgets

We should control what we do

We should control how we do it

We should control what law we can and cannot make

We should control what currency we use.

We should control who can and cannot work here

I want our budgets to be agreed in this country and not by a unilected group of people outside of this country.

In other words i want this country Governed by the Government of this country and not by a Central European Government not even elected by this country

However it seems some here are screaming for us to lose control to the EU bureaucrats.

Not to be rude but you haven't really answered my question.I can see what you don't want and can take that as a given.What I would like to know is what sort of relationship would you like INSTEAD?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Not to be rude but you haven't really answered my question.I can see what you don't want and can take that as a given.What I would like to know is what sort of relationship would you like INSTEAD?

The relationship we had when the common market was formed. Before all this control freak attitude from certain members of Europe

Originally Posted by Sirius

The relationship we had when the common market was formed. Before all this control freak attitude from certain members of Europe

Which was no relationship as I remember it.Don't think we can step back to those days exactly in view of what has happened in the last 30/40 years.

I'm wondering what sort we can have NOW if we do actually leave and are on the outside of a Federal Europe.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Which was no relationship as I remember it.Don't think we can step back to those days exactly in view of what has happened in the last 30/40 years.

I'm wondering what sort we can have NOW if we do actually leave and are on the outside of a Federal Europe.

I think i am far more worried about where Europe is heading. I just don't want to see us ruled by a Central European Government EVER.

Same relationship as most of us want really one of close trade and cooperation on joint external matters but no integration into a superstate and no loss of powers to an EU super parliament. Main problem i think the EU has now is that more and more people and states are realising that the current setup only really benefits two members france and germany they have both done exceedingly well out of the EU in it's current state.

I don't want us to be an enemy or awkward state of europe but i also don't want what we have now and what some would have us into in the near future given their way. I speak to a few people in other states that are EU members and most (actually only one that disagrees with the above is a french friend i have) echo those views they are not as keen for a superstate as some of their leaders.

The single currency was gerry mandered into being with some states having to cook the books to get in and it was never properly designed to cope with the disparency in the member states. Whilst this is the first big crisis for it if the infrastructure and the organisation of it is not fundamentally changed it will not be the last. My main want is for us to pay less to the EU not be bound by so much of their legislation that affects things such as business and our older trade deals.

I am a european as well as british but i am not a chess piece for france and germany to move about their boards to suit them and sadly thats what the EU has become an exclusive benefits club for two states often at the detriment of the others.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I want a common market the same as the one we signed up for.



I do not want other country's to control this country's budgets

We should control what we do

We should control how we do it

We should control what law we can and cannot make

We should control what currency we use.

We should control who can and cannot work here

I want our budgets to be agreed in this country and not by a unilected group of people outside of this country.

In other words i want this country Governed by the Government of this country and not by a Central European Government not even elected by this country

However it seems some here are screaming for us to lose control to the EU bureaucrats.

+1

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Sirius

We have a member in the "Eurozone will collapse" thread who thinks that a United States Of Europe will cure all that is wrong with the EU.

Your country is already MUCH BETTER than the USA has ever been!

The US govt is the most corrupt on the planet,they try to force thier views on the whole world,etc..... I dont think your govt does that do they??

Food is the worst in this country,laden with so much garbage its scary!

Aspertame,Maltodextrin,Caramel Colour,etc... Those are 3 that are all UN-NEEDED and didnt used to be in stuff! (Aspertame is quite bad)

Originally Posted by Sirius

I think i am far more worried about where Europe is heading. I just don't want to see us ruled by a Central European Government EVER.

But you aren't worried about where this country is headed?

[Osem]

Well I am for sure we can't be isolated from the EU or vice versa. Whatever happens, there are some very tough times ahead for all of us I feel. The sad fact is that China and India aren't emcumbered by the regulations and commitments etc. which the EU is and for that reason alone will continue to take a bigger share of the world pie leaving us to fight for what's left.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

But you aren't worried about where this country is headed?

Not any more

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

But you aren't worried about where this country is headed?

Maggy, debate is futile. As long as we have a country full of people on medication to help them cope any government can do whatever they want without fear of being condemned for their actions.

We should be more concerned about all the zombies. We legislate against people using mobiles whilst driving yet at the same time allow people to drive on medication which is designed to make them not to give a toss.

Is there a connection between the current state of the western world and the number of people blanked out on medication? Seems highly likely to me..

Originally Posted by slowcoach

Maggy, debate is futile. As long as we have a country full of people on medication to help them cope any government can do whatever they want without fear of being condemned for their actions.

We should be more concerned about all the zombies. We legislate against people using mobiles whilst driving yet at the same time allow people to drive on medication which is designed to make them not to give a toss.

Is there a connection between the current state of the western world and the number of people blanked out on medication? Seems highly likely to me..

oh lawdy lawdy

Originally Posted by slowcoach

Maggy, debate is futile. As long as we have a country full of people on medication to help them cope any government can do whatever they want without fear of being condemned for their actions.

We should be more concerned about all the zombies. We legislate against people using mobiles whilst driving yet at the same time allow people to drive on medication which is designed to make them not to give a toss.

Is there a connection between the current state of the western world and the number of people blanked out on medication? Seems highly likely to me..

That seems to be a fairly sweeping statement - got any stats to back it up?

Recent data in the Grauniad show that around 1 in 10 (approx.) are being prescribed anti-depressants, which, while a high figure, isn't exactly "a country full of people on medication".

Originally Posted by slowcoach

Maggy, debate is futile. As long as we have a country full of people on medication to help them cope any government can do whatever they want without fear of being condemned for their actions.. Snip

Where the hell did that come from?

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Not any more

So where do you think we are headed?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Where the hell did that come from?

I think its a dig at me because my info says in a world of pain killers, A reference to my arthritis medication Pretty low dig as well

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So where do you think we are headed?

To a point where the likes of Germany and France know we mean business and will use the Veto. Therefor they might now take us seriously when we say we want some of our power back in this country

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Originally Posted by martyh

oh lawdy lawdy

Indeed