For those of us unfit to work
11-11-2011, 10:34
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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My brother and other members of our wider family has asked many times Tim and each time they have been refused.
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I'm sorry to say this, but maybe they aren't entitled.
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11-11-2011, 10:46
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan
I'm sorry to say this, but maybe they aren't entitled.
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You can watch Channel 4s Thought TV episodes on this subject which includes the author of the blog 'diaryofabenefitscrounger' as part of the 'debate'.
http://www.4thought.tv/themes/is-eve...led-to-welfare
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11-11-2011, 10:48
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan
I'm sorry to say this, but maybe they aren't entitled.
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Yes he and many others were entitled to it but the system is so haphazardly run and is basically a postcode lottery where in some areas you might get it and many other areas you have got no chance od getting it.
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11-11-2011, 11:55
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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I'm not even going to discuss it with you, because your name fits, and you just argue for the sake of it.
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Timothy,
I'm not "arguing" with you, I merely asked how you managed to arrive at two entirely contradictory positions within a few posts.
Do you know how you did this or not?
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11-11-2011, 12:27
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
I am fortunate to live in leicestershire where we have a brilliant carer's organisation called CLASP they are the only reason i got the DLA i should have and they support carer's all year round. Thats one of the first big problems with the system right there that people have to have groups to help them get what they are entitled too is stupid.
As for how do you improve the system how about actually involving the nhs people that are familiar with those of us on long term IB instead of asking a useless organisation like atos who sometimes don't even have properly qualified people doing assessments ask the real professionals who deal with us all year round.
If the government was really interested in cutting fraud surely the nhs could play both a massive and very useful part in that. As i have said on here and other places in the past i think the system needs to split into medically confirmed and non medically confirmed because if people have a genuine problem the consultants\gp's\nurses may not be able to give an exact diagnosis but they can attest there is a genuine problem.
There are many ideas from many qualified people on how the system can be improved and streamlined for the benefit of both the claimants and the taxpayer and neither this government or the last was interested. Instead going for headline grabbing tar brushing generalisations that placate the very loud vocal minority spurred on by the likes of the daily hate.
Fact is the vulnerable in this country make such a slow moving easy target for any person looking for a scapegoat. In reality they talk about wanting to do this and that but at the end of the day change very little because then they would lose their scapegoat. Genuine claimants get hit a lot more then the frauds because most of us who are genuine hate being on benefit we hate feeling like scroungers and it takes little to push us to the point of not claiming although we end up hurting ourseleves more.
Frauds don't care, they don't have any guilt and they don't have any problem with what they do and they always update themselves on the latest changes and work ways round it. They can only do that because we have a section of welfare that deals with medical problems and doesn't actually listen to the very service in this country that is tasked with helping those of us with problems funny that isn't it.
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11-11-2011, 14:40
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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Originally Posted by denphone
Yes he and many others were entitled to it but the system is so haphazardly run and is basically a postcode lottery where in some areas you might get it and many other areas you have got no chance od getting it.
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I know things are far from perfect. However they must have been border line to be turned down.
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Timothy,
I'm not "arguing" with you, I merely asked how you managed to arrive at two entirely contradictory positions within a few posts.
Do you know how you did this or not?
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I didn't. Stop twisting things
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11-11-2011, 14:45
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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Why are you going somewhere 
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11-11-2011, 14:53
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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I'm not going anywhere, I'm just ignoring people who love to argue for the sake of it.
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11-11-2011, 15:02
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
Sounds more like evading having to answer to your contradictory posts, imho.
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11-11-2011, 16:43
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan
I didn't. Stop twisting things
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Timothy old chap, here they are again, your words.
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It's not the disabled who are the target.
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Followed just a few hours later by...
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It would be interesting to see just how atos are funded. I bet it is on the number of cases, in which case it is in their interest to stop people DLA, and then for them to have an appeal.
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Now, which words did I twist?
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12-11-2011, 08:22
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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Sounds more like evading having to answer to your contradictory posts, imho.
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No. I'm just ignoring someone who argues for the sake of arguing. Which is also what you seem to be starting to do.
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12-11-2011, 08:59
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
In fairness Tim you do appear to contradict yourself and people are just asking you to clarify.
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12-11-2011, 09:11
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan
No. I'm just ignoring someone who argues for the sake of arguing. Which is also what you seem to be starting to do.
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Keep that reasoning up and you will have no one to debate with
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People will always ask for links in forums if they don't believe you.
If it is that important to them, then they can do the research themselves....don't be bullied.[COLOR="Silver"]
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Depends if those that are making a post can be trusted to post accurate information or are basing there posts on there own assumptions or rants.
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12-11-2011, 09:14
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
What makes me laugh is reading on here how some people claim they're unfit to work but then you see them on here 10 hours a day posting comments.
Surely if the DWP looked on this site it would show these people could work as data inputters, or a similar desk based job? Even on a production line that you could work on whilst seated?
Personally I have only had 2 weeks out of work since I left school, but then I am a very motivated person and I always see what I can do , not what I can't.
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12-11-2011, 09:24
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Re: For those of us unfit to work
Hi New to cable, What you have to realise is that, that there are genuine people that are unfit for work, and those that just scam the system, and l know a few over the years.
The system needs a total change in how it describes 'unfir for work'
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