Muslims against crusades banned

[Russ]

Originally Posted by martyh

i don't follow ,i've already said that they can't

And I've said that they can

People can call themselves whatever they want.

Going back to the topic, there are many who would say the MAC idiots are not true Muslims but if you ask the MAC, they would probably tell you they are more 'Muslim' than anyone.

Originally Posted by Zee

I think some people have mis-understood what i was trying to say and sorry if i offended anyone by my comment, what i am trying to say is, you cant say you're a priest and go around touching children, you cant say you're a Hindu and eat a cow and you cant go around blowing yourself and others up and say you're a Muslim.

I hope no one became offended by this.

it makes perfect sense to me in fact i have argued that point in previous threads

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

i don't follow ,i've already said that they can't

i was just wondering about the western crusades that where carried out in the name of Christianity by Christians against muslims .

Originally Posted by Russ

And I've said that they can

People can call themselves whatever they want.

Going back to the topic, there are many who would say the MAC idiots are not true Muslims but if you ask the MAC, they would probably tell you they are more 'Muslim' than anyone.

yes and i'm going to call myself a good looking sex god ,doesn't mean i am .Zees point is that most muslims who follow Islam in a peacefull way will not see the MAC as muslims because their actions are against the widely accepted teachings of the koran regardless of what they call themselves

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

just like atheists can call themselves open-minded yet have a go a religious people for believing in something that they themselves don't,

When did the Atheists association come up with that rule and not inform me?
I'm in that club but I'm not open minded.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

When did the Atheists association come up with that rule and not inform me?
I'm in that club but I'm not open minded.

now come on you have to listen to others misguided drivel before ignoring it its only polite .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i was just wondering about the western crusades that where carried out in the name of Christianity by Christians against muslims .

different time ,different beliefs .Probably an era more suited to the MACs .In todays world no i don't think the crusaders would be accepted as christian at all

[Russ]

Originally Posted by martyh

yes and i'm going to call myself a good looking sex god ,doesn't mean i am .Zees point is that most muslims who follow Islam in a peacefull way will not see the MAC as muslims because their actions are against the widely accepted teachings of the koran regardless of what they call themselves

Um...thanks for backing up what I just said

Originally Posted by Gary L

When did the Atheists association come up with that rule and not inform me?

I neither said or implied all atheists think that way.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

different time ,different beliefs .Probably an era more suited to the MACs .In todays world no i don't think the crusaders would be accepted as christian at all

what about todays Christian British soldiers shooting muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan
are they accepted as Christians ?.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

I neither said or implied all atheists think that way.

Good. and I'm not offended by it. but it would help to make sure you put in the word some next time.
you know what Hugh's like

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

what about todays Christian British soldiers shooting muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan
are they accepted as Christians ?.

Or cowboys killing indians

infact anyone that kills. can they be accepted as Christians?

Originally Posted by Gary L

When did the Atheists association come up with that rule and not inform me?
I'm in that club but I'm not open minded.

Anyone surprised?

Anyone?


Anyone?




Thought not.....

And in other surprise breaking news, the Pope confirms rumours that he is, in fact, Catholic.....

[soicky]

Originally Posted by Russ

And I've said that they can

People can call themselves whatever they want.

Going back to the topic, there are many who would say the MAC idiots are not true Muslims but if you ask the MAC, they would probably tell you they are more 'Muslim' than anyone.

The question than is what makes a 'true Muslim'.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by soicky

The question than is what makes a 'true Muslim'.

Absolutely subjective.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

what about todays Christian British soldiers shooting muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan
are they accepted as Christians ?.

what about them ? they aren't doing it in the name of god .Killing anyone for whatever reason,however justified it may apear isn't very Christian.which is the great hypocrasy of any religion in my opinion

[Russ]

Originally Posted by martyh

what about them ? they aren't doing it in the name of god .Killing anyone for whatever reason,however justified it may apear isn't very Christian.which is the great hypocrasy of any religion in my opinion

You've helped emphasise a point I often make - it's not your or my place to decide who is or isn't a "good" Christian/Muslim/Sikh/Hindu/whatever. We can comment on whether we feel someone's actions have fallen short of what we personally might expect from someone of faith but a person's beliefs are their own and justifiable to themselves only - and their chosen deity.

For example I don't view the whole MAC ethos to be very Islamic. I don't know any of them personally so I can't be sure but in my opinion I would say their actions fall short of what their holy book guides them to do. And they'd be just as within their rights to disagree with me.

Swings and roundabouts.