Unfair dismissal could be abolished

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

doubt they would get away with doing this as it would be in breech of human rights.

thats why they want it scraped so the can freely persecute workers with disgusting work practices/rights, The unemployed for not taking imaginary jobs, the disabled for being sick. Elderly for being living too long.

This coalisition sounds more like stalin/hitler or any other nasty dictator. I wondering when gas chambers getting anounced work labour camps.

Political camps for those who dont support them.

Originally Posted by mertle

thats why they want it scraped so the can freely persecute workers with disgusting work practices/rights, The unemployed for not taking imaginary jobs, the disabled for being sick. Elderly for being living too long.

This coalisition sounds more like stalin/hitler or any other nasty dictator. I wondering when gas chambers getting anounced work labour camps.

Political camps for those who dont support them.

[Anonymouse]

I've never been able to see why you should be in a job for a year, or two years, or whatever length of time, before being eligible to claim unfair dismissal. The only thing that should be relevant is the circumstances of the dismissal - if you're unfairly dismissed, what the hell difference does it make if this is x number of years down the line, or the first day?

Hmm! I think they would have to do away with ECHR before they can get to this.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Well your reaction makes me remember poem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6

Maybe when you start getting issues you might then start panic demonstrate but it will be too late.

[Welshchris]

if it is passed i would love the first Victim to be Cameron LOL!!

[Pierre]

It wont happen so don't worry about it.

Originally Posted by mertle

Well your reaction makes me remember poem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6

Maybe when you start getting issues you might then start panic demonstrate but it will be too late.

Actually, I have been through the unfair dismissal route, but I didn't think at the time (or now) to compare it to genocide.

You may wish to have a reality check....

[chris9991]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Hmm! I think they would have to do away with ECHR before they can get to this.

Does the ECHR apply to employment? I didn't think anyone has a right to employment and I can't see anything in ECHR that applies. If there is a right to employment, I wonder what the unemployed could do.

Originally Posted by chris9991

Does the ECHR apply to employment? I didn't think anyone has a right to employment and I can't see anything in ECHR that applies. If there is a right to employment, I wonder what the unemployed could do.

Let me see.Racial equality,gender equality,age equality.If there are no human rights applied in the workforce basically one could be left with slavery becoming the only option..

[chris9991]

Ok - I just couldn't see one that directly applied to businesses employing staff. The way I saw it was Government may be bound by ECHR and they may then introduce laws for businesses to follow. I'm not for these proposals but I can see Governments getting desperate to use these sorts of measures. Of course, if we stop using the ECHR that won't be able to defend us

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Actually, I have been through the unfair dismissal route, but I didn't think at the time (or now) to compare it to genocide.

You may wish to have a reality check....

Sorry to hear that so you well aware companies may use this to lets say fiddle it to mug employee and get shot someone they may have to pay decent wad serverance pay.

I am pointing out the slow erosing of our rights the nasty vilous attacks of people who suffering who already on the bottom pits. On so called argument they caused the country mess. Cleverly sucking upto those who have caused the mess banks super rich companies and stock market.

Its not disabled or unemployed or even pentioners fault now they want start even on workers.

Now yes there maybe some workers run to the limit as long they working then stuff the companies. There is many good companies out there if you employed by them you work hard even go extra bit to help them through sticky patch as they treat you fairly. But there some horrendious employers I dont blame anybody taking those firms for ride as long job done to contract then they have every right to slack off as they say.

Now I accept there is incidences of workshy in unemployment is this exactly really big deal as likely there will also be unemployed anyway. We cant have 100% employment governments would not want it. They like there whip around to keep worker in check. Who going to employ Jobcentre staff when there no unemployed.

Accept even in DLA there odd swingers but nothing to the numbers who being thrown off ill health never to be employed while able out there and foreign work labour. Crazy thing some not all who got injured possibly at work related accidents due to weak H & S practises. Would love to see breakdown who was born with illness/disability, accident work/outside etc

Then we come to horrendious idea increaing pension age of retirement which obviously impacts on what will be available viscious circle causing another generation of there so called workshy. Get the age limit down keep those who can offer something like teaching trade I say.
Pensions problem due to hole which was created by city workers ie BANKS stupidly investing pensions in the stocks.

Yes there is the few but does it give them the right to make rules change policies which runs roughshod over the majority NO it does not but sadly thats this coalision way they dont care.

There is some merit in this report and i agree with quite a lot of it .There are people who do "coast along" at work being unproductive ,they make it there mission in life to do as little as possible and know the employment law inside out especially in the public sector.It would be a great benefit to companies to be able to get rid of people like these without fear of being taken to a tribunal

[gazzae]

I fail to see how these lazy people are getting away with it. If you give someone tasks to do and they don't do them then give them a verbal warning (following rules - formal meeting, right to be accompanied etc.). If it happens again a written warning (same rules) - set them targets for improvement a reasonable time for improvement. If still no improvement then another formal meeting, issue final warning, set more targets etc. Still no improvement then sack them.
Seems simple to me, manage them properly.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

There is some merit in this report and i agree with quite a lot of it .There are people who do "coast along" at work being unproductive ,they make it there mission in life to do as little as possible and know the employment law inside out especially in the public sector.It would be a great benefit to companies to be able to get rid of people like these without fear of being taken to a tribunal

Ah, the old coalition public sector bashing.

Just out of interest, how can you assert that this is factually correct, especially your "especially" comment?

What is the quantifiable basis for your assertion?