"Boycott Braehead" campaign over yet more anti-photographer stupidity

Originally Posted by danielf

Seems to me that the CIPR have a lesson or two to learn as well:

Bah, PROs are as hopeless at spelling as anyone else. When I took my writing test prior to getting a job in a press office I found more errors in the 'badly written' media release than the department head thought she'd put in there.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Bah, PROs are as hopeless at spelling as anyone else. When I took my writing test prior to getting a job in a press office I found more errors in the 'badly written' media release than the department head thought she'd put in there.

Oh, absolutely (and we all make mistakes). However, as the self-proclaimed experts on PR they have no excuse

Originally Posted by Russ

I don't care where it happens, if anyone tries to take a photo of a child of mine without asking me first I will happily get in their face over it.

and I would happily tell you where to go.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul M

and I would happily tell you where to go.

If that would be your stance after taking a direct picture of my child without permission then you and I would have a situation on our hands

[danielf]

Scottish police praised after foiling Al Qaeda toddler ice-cream plot

Strathclyde police have been praised by Government officials after foiling a plot by Al Qaeda terrorists to take photos of a three year-old eating ice-cream in Glasgow’s Braehead shopping centre.

The plot, which detectives suspect might have been in the planning stages for up to eight minutes, would have seen a photo of the small child circulated to literally dozens of Facebook users.

A Strathclyde police spokesperson told of his pride at the efficient way in which the potential atrocity was prevented, telling reporters that the officers concerned had reacted ‘just as they’ve been trained to’ in order to bring the incident to such a successful conclusion.

The spokesman told us, “It’s at times like this that you have to rely on your training, you have to ignore the adrenaline and let the auto-pilot kick-in.”

“Sure, the officers were frightened, but if they’d stopped to think this through there could have been several photos shared across multiple social media channels, and then the terrorists would have won.”

http://newsthump.com/2011/10/10/scot...ce-cream-plot/

I've been a parent for 27 years.Not once have I ever objected to anyone taking photos of my children as I did not view it as being perverted.Should I have done?And why should I have done?The actual act of taking a photo of a child is not in it's self perverted.

Of course it is what those photos might be used for that worries I suppose but then we could prevent people from doing all sorts of everyday things because of what could potentially happen.We could stop people driving because there maybe an accident.We could stop people sky diving because they might die.

It's about where you draw the line.Personally I think it should be when someone tries to photograph your teenage daughter when naked NOT when they are out and about in a crowd at the shopping centre or at the playground.

[techguyone]

It's paranoid idiotic stupid people that cause the media frenzy that puts the country in this state to begin with.

Common sense? what's that then.

With any luck enough media noise will rumble from this that some aspiring politician will pin this down once and for all.

Without doubt, enough media's becoming involved that it will very visibly highlight this issue it'll be interesting to see what (if anything) happens moving forward.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I've been a parent for 27 years.Not once have I ever objected to anyone taking photos of my children as I did not view it as being perverted.Should I have done?And why should I have done?The actual act of taking a photo of a child is not in it's self perverted.

Of course it is what those photos might be used for that worries I suppose but then we could prevent people from doing all sorts of everyday things because of what could potentially happen.We could stop people driving because there maybe an accident.We could stop people sky diving because they might die.

It's about where you draw the line.Personally I think it should be when someone tries to photograph your teenage daughter when naked NOT when they are out and about in a crowd at the shopping centre or at the playground.

If someone takes a picture of a public place, such as a shopping centre etc and my daughter just happens to in the fore/background then that is quite different and I see no real issue with that.

However that is not what this thread is about - it was a direct picture of a child, no ambiguity that she was the focal point of it just like 95% of all picture I take these days, my daughter features in them.

If someone took a photo of her without my permission, a photo where she is clearly the focal point then I would be asking why a grown adult (male or female) would find my child so interesting as to want to take a picture of her and why the need to be secretive enough to not bother asking me first.

If it was a case of them finding her 'cute' in an innocent way I would be cautious enough to insist that I appear in the picture with her.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Russ

If someone takes a picture of a public place, such as a shopping centre etc and my daughter just happens to in the fore/background then that is quite different and I see no real issue with that.

However that is not what this thread is about - it was a direct picture of a child, no ambiguity that she was the focal point of it just like 95% of all picture I take these days, my daughter features in them.

If someone took a photo of her without my permission, a photo where she is clearly the focal point then I would be asking why a grown adult (male or female) would find my child so interesting as to want to take a picture of her and why the need to be secretive enough to not bother asking me first.

If it was a case of them finding her 'cute' in an innocent way I would be cautious enough to insist that I appear in the picture with her.

However, apart from common courtesy, there is nothing stopping someone from taking a direct picture of another person in a public place. You may not like it if it were to happen, but by being in a public place, you give others the right to take pictures of you, and the same applies to your daughter.

[techguyone]

I'm just sick of feeling uncomfortable of even taking a picture of my OWN kid in the park, school event or elsewhere that's public, because you're worried about what the people around you might think. Years ago (yes I am that old) this was never an issue, or even thought about, now you're walking on eggs all the time trying to find the right PC line. Makes me sick.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by danielf

However, apart from common courtesy, there is nothing stopping someone from taking a direct picture of another person in a public place. You may not like it if it were to happen, but by being in a public place, you give others the right to take pictures of you, and the same applies to your daughter.

I don't think I've suggested they'd be doing anything illegal.

[techguyone]

Russ I don't know why you keep champing on. Do you seriously think some stranger is going to come up to you and your child and deliberately take a 'direct' picture of your kid, with you being there and not saying something/asking permission?

Really... How likely do you think that is?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Russ I don't know why you keep champing on. Do you seriously think some stranger is going to come up to you and your child and deliberately take a 'direct' picture of your kid, with you being there and not saying something/asking permission?

Really... How likely do you think that is?

Derek mentioned it in post #16, I'm responding to it.

A few years back there was a story where a guy was in a cafe in Dublin with his one year old child in a pushchair. He turned around for a second and when he looked back some Fillipino bloke was standing in front of the kid taking pictures of her. The father grabbed the Fillipino and asked in no uncertain terms what he was up to, to which he replied "I like, I like".

Apparently in some Fillipino cultures taking unsolicited pictures of other peoples' kids is perfectly acceptable. I've no idea what happened to that guy but I find it very worrying.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chris

The man in question has just given a very good account of himself on the BBC Scotland lunchtime news. He doesn't seem aggressive or obnoxious. Quite the opposite in fact.

Do you remember this guy given a fine for blowing his nose? He got his 5 minutes on BBC breakfast and held up as an example of over zealous policing. He seemed perfectly reasonable and plausible as well.
He was talking pants of course and there was far more to the story than he said.

We have heard one side of the story, obviously the guy who started it isn't going to say he did anything wrong, and the Police can't come straight out and say he's missing big chunks out of the events.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Derek

Do you remember this guy given a fine for blowing his nose? He got his 5 minutes on BBC breakfast and held up as an example of over zealous policing. He seemed perfectly reasonable and plausible as well.
He was talking pants of course and there was far more to the story than he said.

So much so that the case was dropped?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/8539682.stm