Government to appeal release of Hillsborough Files

[devilincarnate]

Signed and they just need to release them as it will never go away from whoever is in charge. It happened not far from where I live and I can remember the chaos that happened

May the 96 finally get the justice that they deserve and also the families.

[denphone]

Thats excellent that it has reached over 100,000 signatures as being a Liverpool supporter l remember that day totally and justice has never been done and now lets hope that finally it will be done.

[Pierre]

What are families of the victims, and the wider group, looking for?

I think everybody knows that policing mistakes were made.

I think everybody knows that the police fearing trouble outside the ground opened the Leppings Lane external gate thereby causing the influx of thousands of fans down the central tunnel thereby causing the tragedy.

If the police come out and say that, say that they made a mistake and they're sorry, then surely that'll be the end of it?

[Peter_]

I would say they are looking for an end to the coverup that the government of the day helped instigate and that is the reason the present day government are so against it as it probably would not show the primeminister of the day in a very good light either.

Remember people died at Hillsborough and it was hushed up and a certain now none existent Sunday rag and its toilet paper weekly sister rag were given the go ahead to post wild accusations against fans who were trying to save their fellow fans.

I was not there that day but remember watching it live on Grandstand as they went live with the coverage and could not believe the scenes that I witnessed that day and the way the police behaved, it was callous and it was murder.

[Pierre]

Perhaps someone can put me straight.

There was an inquiry, the cause was put down to overcrowding and failure by police to control the crowd.

I assume my synopsis in my previous post is also correct as I remeber watching several programmes where the cause of the tragedy was given as what I have posted.

So if the police have already been found to be at fault over this, what is the cover up?

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Originally Posted by Masque

it was callous and it was murder.

Poor policing, poor decisions and poor communication - followed by poor reporting.

Murder though......................... over active emotions help nobody.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Poor policing, poor decisions and poor communication - followed by poor reporting.

Murder though......................... over active emotions help nobody.

Not first degree but it was murder if you can stand back and watch the life being crushed out of someone while others are begging you to open the gate which would have saved them, I would like to know how those policemen can live with themselves.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Perhaps someone can put me straight.

There was an inquiry, the cause was put down to overcrowding and failure by police to control the crowd.

I assume my synopsis in my previous post is also correct as I remeber watching several programmes where the cause of the tragedy was given as what I have posted.

So if the police have already been found to be at fault over this, what is the cover up?

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Poor policing, poor decisions and poor communication - followed by poor reporting.

Murder though......................... over active emotions help nobody.

Nobody is being over active with their emotions but all we want is the full truth to be told instead of this establishment cover up.

[Peter_]

As I said above I saw this on live television and you could see what was happening and my emotion is anger due to what I witnessed via a box in the corner where I could see people dying.

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Masque

As I said above I saw this on live television and you could see what was happening and my emotion is anger due to what I witnessed via a box in the corner where I could see people dying.

Very well put Masque these are my sentiments as well. I watched it live as well and it made me feel sick to my stomach and also cry as well (due to all that was going on)

Even typing this has made me remember it all over again and all I feel is anger now

Just release the documents.

It is interesting why successive governments have sought to block the public release of these files. Why? Presumably, as the Conservatives were in power, Labour would have a political advantage to release the files. They did not. What motivated their decision not to do so because there were certainly people call for their release? Why is the Government blocking it now, over 20 years since the event?

Is it just because it contains conversations Thatcher had with her cabinet? Are there civil servants who stand to be harmed by their release? Maybe no government is pleased with setting a precedent over the release of 'private' conversations?

Either way people deserve to know what happened, the full details. The feeling is that the police were at fault and this was covered up and therefore the guilty parties were never held responsible. The anger at this runs deep amongst the support and Liverpool as a whole.

If one party starts declassifying and releasing documents that could embarrass their opponents, then it's a green light for those opponents to do likewise the next time they are in power.

I think it's just one of those things that there is an unspoken agreement, you just don't do it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by denphone

Nobody is being over active with their emotions but all we want is the full truth to be told instead of this establishment cover up.

What's being covered up?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What's being covered up?

Plenty in my mind and people will not rest till we get the full truth and nothing but the truth in this establishment cover up.

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What's being covered up?

Who knows? If there was nothing to hide they would release them straight away

No, they wouldn't - there is an extreme culture of secrecy in Whitehall. They don't release stuff because they're in the business of not releasing stuff. Any other speculation is verging on nutty conspiracy territory.