Riots

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The government should be totally ashamed of this whole business, ok the riots started over a killing in Tottenham, then everything blows up.

Rubbish. Here is my take on the whole debacle, in the most PC way I can put it without offending a whole bunch of people.

Some hoodie who just happens to be coloured got shot because he was carrying an illegal firearm in public. Peaceful protest / shrine follows.

The other 'gangsta' masses rise up and create havoc. They get free TV's and trainers. They create a bandwagon. More and more 'gangsta' types see that they can do the same by seeing this bandwagon, they jump on it. The bandwagon goes postal...

Now, I said that I would be as PC as possible, is it just me that when i was watching the footage that the vast majority of the looters / rioters / bandwagon jumpers were coloured? Yet, they are the first ones to whinge that they are 'stop and searched'. I find it laughable.

You will probably call me out to be a racist etc, but that's what I saw and yes i have coloured friends etc etc etc

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The government should be totally ashamed of this whole business, ok the riots started over a killing in Tottenham, then everything blows up.

What happens with the government, they remain on holiday, and come back slagging off the police for the way they dealt with, Then they come back and start saying that they will bring in troops, all it would have taken was one call from that puppet Cameron, and that would have the troops in, BUT, the police were dealing with it.

The police brought in all the usual officers, BUT, there again the government have cut everything, trainers the lot, there are a lot less officers now than a year ago.

He has this nice bright idea of bringing in this American guy, what can he do, American gangs are much tougher and carry guns, that they will use.

He forgets, in America he increased police NOT cut the numbers, and even today Theresa May is still going ahead with more cuts in the police - the police cannot win, its about time Cameron and Clegg got off there soapbox and started to come back to reality. To me they should both resign and let someone else do a better job - ME.

Arthur ,the government came back off holiday as soon as the situation warranted it,and police numbers have not been cut yet as far as i know either way they aren't being cut all in one go ,it will be a gradual reduction over 4 yrs

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Originally Posted by Tuftus

Rubbish. Here is my take on the whole debacle, in the most PC way I can put it without offending a whole bunch of people.

Some hoodie who just happens to be coloured got shot because he was carrying an illegal firearm in public. Peaceful protest / shrine follows.

The other 'gangsta' masses rise up and create havoc. They get free TV's and trainers. They create a bandwagon. More and more 'gangsta' types see that they can do the same by seeing this bandwagon, they jump on it. The bandwagon goes postal...

Now, I said that I would be as PC as possible, is it just me that when i was watching the footage that the vast majority of the looters / rioters / bandwagon jumpers were coloured? Yet, they are the first ones to whinge that they are 'stop and searched'. I find it laughable.

You will probably call me out to be a racist etc, but that's what I saw and yes i have coloured friends etc etc etc

nail, head

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

Now, I said that I would be as PC as possible, is it just me that when i was watching the footage that the vast majority of the looters / rioters / bandwagon jumpers were coloured? Yet, they are the first ones to whinge that they are 'stop and searched'. I find it laughable.

I noticed too.

You will probably call me out to be a racist etc, but that's what I saw and yes i have coloured friends etc etc etc

Me too. his name is John.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The first thing l would do would be, Anyone goes before the courts - 12 months - not suspended or community service, that's a total waste of time.

If that was the case people going through red lights would have to be bonkers to plead not guilty.
Community service and suspended sentences can be very useful sentences to have. Sadly they have been abused by giving them out to all manner of offenders regardless of their suitability.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I would increase policing on the streets of London by double this amount. London used to be the safest place to live, it isn't anymore.

The Met has 32,000 cops. Taking out the ones doing central and 'special' jobs you have 25,000 or so actually out on the beat doing Police work as the general public would see it.

A cop with 5 years service in London gets a salary of about £34,000 a year. Forgetting the costs involved in having stations to work them out of, Vehicles to move them about it, uniform to kit them out and all the other costs 25K times 34K in wages alone is A LOT of money. Where is that coming from?

Originally Posted by Gary L

I noticed too.



Me too. his name is John.

My friend is called Derek.

I like the sound of this as long as these words are acted upon .For the rioters to have to face their victims and be seen to be fixing the mess they made may have a impact on some of them because of the humiliation factor ,i think it should be extended to other crimes as well

"Victims of crime are only truly protected if punishment leads to criminals not committing crime again. Criminals must be punished and then made to change their ways," Mr Clegg said.
"That's why those people who behaved so despicably last week should have to look their victims in the eye.
"They should have to see for themselves the consequences of their actions and they should be put to work cleaning up the damage and destruction they have caused so they don't do it again," he added.
In a wider measure, every offender will be greeted by someone from the work programme when they leave jail from March 2012, he explained.

http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16050805

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

My friend is called Derek.

I remember him. he was that posh one in Big Brother.

Originally Posted by Gary L

I remember him. he was that posh one in Big Brother.

I don't watch it on principle. But i will say hi to Derek on your behalf

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

"They should have to see for themselves the consequences of their actions and they should be put to work cleaning up the damage and destruction they have caused so they don't do it again," he added.
In a wider measure, every offender will be greeted by someone from the work programme when they leave jail from March 2012, he explained.

You can tell his not thinking straight. will there be any cleaning up still to be done in 7 months time. or are they going to leave it till they all start coming out to do?

[marky]

I cant believe that some folk think the so called riots had a purpose, it was just people after a buzz in life (totally wrong way) but true, the same reason some rich folk shoplift.

PS. I'm sorry if that has allready been posted but I cant be bothered reading the whole thread, life is to short

Originally Posted by Gary L

You can tell his not thinking straight. will there be any cleaning up still to be done in 7 months time. or are they going to leave it till they all start coming out to do?

There will always be something to do .Basically what they need to do is make the community service program work instead of it being the wishy washy scheme it is at present

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by marky

I cant believe that some folk think the so called riots had a purpose, it was just people after a buzz in life (totally wrong way) but true, the same reason some rich folk shoplift.

Some rich folk do it because they don't want to spend their money. it's actually true.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

Rubbish. Here is my take on the whole debacle, in the most PC way I can put it without offending a whole bunch of people.

Some hoodie who just happens to be coloured got shot because he was carrying an illegal firearm in public. Peaceful protest / shrine follows.

The other 'gangsta' masses rise up and create havoc. They get free TV's and trainers. They create a bandwagon. More and more 'gangsta' types see that they can do the same by seeing this bandwagon, they jump on it. The bandwagon goes postal...

Now, I said that I would be as PC as possible, is it just me that when i was watching the footage that the vast majority of the looters / rioters / bandwagon jumpers were coloured? Yet, they are the first ones to whinge that they are 'stop and searched'. I find it laughable.

You will probably call me out to be a racist etc, but that's what I saw and yes i have coloured friends etc etc etc

Spot on comments mate.

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Originally Posted by martyh

There will always be something to do .Basically what they need to do is make the community service program work instead of it being the wishy washy scheme it is at present

Err, Don`t you need people to act as a community for that to work?

[Sirius]

And so begins the fight back by the hand wringers

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16051275

Human rights groups have criticised the severity of some of the sentences handed down to people involved in last week's riots.

[watzizname]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

Rubbish. Here is my take on the whole debacle, in the most PC way I can put it without offending a whole bunch of people.

Some hoodie who just happens to be coloured got shot because he was carrying an illegal firearm in public. Peaceful protest / shrine follows.

The other 'gangsta' masses rise up and create havoc. They get free TV's and trainers. They create a bandwagon. More and more 'gangsta' types see that they can do the same by seeing this bandwagon, they jump on it. The bandwagon goes postal...

Now, I said that I would be as PC as possible, is it just me that when i was watching the footage that the vast majority of the looters / rioters / bandwagon jumpers were coloured? Yet, they are the first ones to whinge that they are 'stop and searched'. I find it laughable.

You will probably call me out to be a racist etc, but that's what I saw and yes i have coloured friends etc etc etc

Not having a go, but you might want to get out of the habit of calling black people coloured..

"It's wrong," says Toyin Agbetu of Ligali, an African-British human rights organisation. "Because it strips me of my identity and reduces me to the most superficial physical identifier, as opposed to my African ethnicity."

The term was common parlance in the 1960s, but its origins are the problem, says Mr Agbetu. It comes from the ideology of racism, that white people are white, and everyone else is somehow other coloured. It fails to recognise that everyone has an ethnicity and is an inadequate "one-size-fits all" description.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6132672.stm

When I was younger, describing someone of African origin as coloured was a respectful step up from the more common descriptions used in this country, but the world has moved on since then.. For now being called black or white seems to be acceptable, but for how long is anyone's guess. I suppose it's something that isn't perfect, and will just keep evolving until there's no such distinction, but by then we'll have found something else we don't like about each other to pick on.

Anyways.. topic for another thread..