Riots - Page 72

Gary L · 14-08-2011, 14:42

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Originally Posted by martyh

it'll be interesting to note how many people get evicted for commiting crimes after all this has died down

They'd need permission from the courts. and the courts probably won't give it. it's bad enough trying to evict them for neighbour nuiscance and rent arrears as it is.

14-08-2011, 14:49

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Originally Posted by nomadking

You were complaining about the general principle of being evicted for the actions of somebody else. Are you now saying that it would be ok for noise or other nuisance related incidents. If so, how is the outcome any different?

The same goes for people complaining about people potentially being made homeless. They are being asked to move elsewhere, just in the same way that others have to move for one way or another(eg change of jobs, owner of rented accommodation selling up). The outcome of having to move is the same whatever the reason for it.

no it isn't at all .Being evicted from a council house or association house can pretty much stop the person getting housed in anything other than private rented which isn't an option for most

Arthurgray50@blu · 14-08-2011, 18:38

I would love to be a solicitor, as l would jump at the chance to defend any parent who gets evicted due to the children being found guilty of the the riots.

ITS the kids that have got into trouble, therefore the parent hasn't caused the problem, therefore hasn't broken any housing laws. And if they have been in that property for several years they become sitting tenant.

Where does it state in the council regulations, that by being found guilty of a crime, breaks council regulations - l think the councils that are thinking of doing this, and treading on dicey legal grounds.

If they children have committed the crime, then they should go to prison - simple. Not punish the parent.

What about the parent who walked the youngster to court by force - will she be evicted ?

denphone · 14-08-2011, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I would love to be a solicitor, as l would jump at the chance to defend any parent who gets evicted due to the children being found guilty of the the riots.

ITS the kids that have got into trouble, therefore the parent hasn't caused the problem, therefore hasn't broken any housing laws. And if they have been in that property for several years they become sitting tenant.

Where does it state in the council regulations, that by being found guilty of a crime, breaks council regulations - l think the councils that are thinking of doing this, and treading on dicey legal grounds.

If they children have committed the crime, then they should go to prison - simple. Not punish the parent.

What about the parent who walked the youngster to court by force - will she be evicted ?

But in a lot of cases its the poor parenting that influences the child and then child knows nothing better then to do what their parents do so in my mind the parent is just as culpable as the child

14-08-2011, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

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ITS the kids that have got into trouble, therefore the parent hasn't caused the problem, therefore hasn't broken any housing laws. And if they have been in that property for several years they become sitting tenant.

If the kids are under age then it is the parents responsibility arthur and the LA's will and do hold them accountable cases of eviction through unruly behaviour are rare but do happen

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Where does it state in the council regulations, that by being found guilty of a crime, breaks council regulations - l think the councils that are thinking of doing this, and treading on dicey legal grounds.

the tenancy agreement .This is the relavent section from my tenancy agreement

Criminal behaviour
m You must make sure that you and the people living in or visiting your home do not:
1 use the premises, or allow them to be used, for illegal
purposes or criminal activity (such as selling drugs); or
2 commit any serious offence (one that they could be
arrested for) in the property, estate or local area.
You are in danger of losing your home if you do not keep this responsibility.

link

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What about the parent who walked the youngster to court by force - will she be evicted ?

does she live in rented accomodation ? if she does then most likely no

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I would love to be a solicitor, as l would jump at the chance to defend any parent who gets evicted due to the children being found guilty of the the riots.

then you would fail miserably

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Originally Posted by denphone

But in a lot of cases its the poor parenting that influences the child and then child knows nothing better then to do what their parents do so in my mind the parent is just as culpable as the child

exactly ,although it as to be said that is not always the case their are some exceptions

Gary L · 14-08-2011, 19:29

She/they won't be evicted. I can guarantee it.

Sirius · 14-08-2011, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Gary L

She/they won't be evicted. I can guarantee it.

So will you make a small donation to a charity if your wrong

Gary L · 14-08-2011, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Sirius

So will you make a small donation to a charity if your wrong

Yes, I'll even pop it in there myself on my way past

14-08-2011, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Sirius

So will you make a small donation to a charity if your wrong

all depends how much preasure the government put on LA's ,and if she is a tenant at all

Gary L · 14-08-2011, 19:46

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Originally Posted by martyh

and if she is a tenant at all

If she's not a tenant then all this was a waste of time.

what do you mean if she is a tenant at all?

**Chris** · 14-08-2011, 19:51

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

ITS the kids that have got into trouble, therefore the parent hasn't caused the problem,

Nonsense. The parent may not have committed the actual crime, but if they have delinquent offspring they are most certainly at least a part of the problem.

denphone · 14-08-2011, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Chris

Nonsense. The parent may not have committed the actual crime, but if they have delinquent offspring they are most certainly at least a part of the problem.

Exactly.

14-08-2011, 19:55

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Originally Posted by Gary L

If she's not a tenant then all this was a waste of time.

what do you mean if she is a tenant at all?

i mean if she's a tenant ,as you say if she's a private tenant or owns her house then they can't evict her .
which raises the question ,if eviction from a council house is part of the punishment do rioters who are in private housing get extra time in jail or extra fines so the punishment is fair ?

Gary L · 14-08-2011, 20:05

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Originally Posted by martyh

i mean if she's a tenant ,as you say if she's a private tenant or owns her house then they can't evict her .

I think the council wanting her out of council property is a big clue.

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which raises the question ,if eviction from a council house is part of the punishment do rioters who are in private housing get extra time in jail or extra fines so the punishment is fair ?

No. leave it as it is so people can see that council tenants and on benefits can be punished more if you misbehave.

14-08-2011, 20:13

[QUOTE=Gary L;35288157]I think the council wanting her out of council property is a big clue.
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missed that