Riots

Originally Posted by Welshchris

How do u know that?

Think of it like this im not saying it is in all cases but imagine this...

Government cuts benefits = cant afford kids = kids not affording things like other kids = joining the riots to get what they want.

If just a small percentage are like that it adds up to numbers to those already rioting and phaps even the parents were rioting to get what they cant afford cos of benfit cuts.

Which benefits have been cut?

There are plans to rationalise and consolidate benefits, but these haven't happened yet?

And what about the 99.999% of those in the same position - you lessen them by giving the looters this poor excuse for their thieving.

Originally Posted by Welshchris

where did i say that?

I just give a quote from what a man said. If that man was white u wouldnt be taking this in a racial context i dread to think how your mind truly works if its like this at times.

What the hell? Get with the program dude.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Masque

It would help if you actually watched or read the news.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23332124/

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thank god,finally some sense and tactics that will actually help.

[Osem]

I haven't had time to catch up on the last few pages of this thread so apologise if this has been covered. I really believe this is David Cameron's 'Falklands' moment. Decisive action now and he has the chance to be a hero, failure to do so and the riots continue/worsen and he'll pay the price.

I may be wrong by the likes of Shami Chakrabarti have been prety quiet lately. I wonder if they're too busy boarding up their nice homes in their nice streets. I wonder if they're starting to feel rather uneasy about all the civil liberties these **** are taking advantage of. I wonder if they're proud of the weak and ineffectual policing we've been left with as a result of the constant barrage of complaints and legal actions they've generated against the authorities in their single-minded and naive pursuit of 'freedom'.

Now their fashionable watering holes, eateries, shops, offices and even homes are being looted and burned I wonder if they'll be quite so forgiving of those who're responsible and quite so ready to jump to their defence? Now the quaint and affluent streets of London are under threat, I wonder if the left leaning, namby-pamby lawyers, judges, politicians, journalists, activists and other apologists who live in them are focussing their minds on what they've allowed to happen and the vigilantism that is inevitably starting to surface?

I wonder how loud Ms Chakrabati will be shouting if her home is looted/burned and/or her loved ones attacked? Let's hope the police make a good job of protecting her and all the others like her......

As for police tactics. The gloves need to come off ASAP. Their obvious impotence in the face of the mob is inciting more wrongdoing and encouraging more youths to get involved, secure in the knowledge that they can do what they want right in front of the police and nothing is done. IMHO snatch squads and the like need to immediately take out the small groups and masked ringleaders BEFORE they gel into a mob. These people are coming from all over London and police indecisiveness is allowing them to come together and a pack mentality to form. It's like a series of small fires which turn into a huge forest fire unless they're rapidly extinguished. The police also need to consider those areas which may well be being left with little or no police cover.

[Welshchris]

Damien what i think they meant by getting their taxes back was getting the monies worth that was paid into and they can no longer get wheather it be because of loss of services or whatever.

So they worked for a brand new Governmental car and a Personal Photographer when they became prime minister? So every Prime Minister should have them and also most of the Front bench should get brand new cars when a new party comes into power?

As for loss of services im currently annoyed at Cutbacks here in Swansea. Ive been told its a possibility i have Deep Vein Thrombosis in my right leg and was in the list for a scan and didnt hear a thing. When i enquired i was told that the request was sent back to my doctor stating no cos i no longer fell into the catagory for that scan due to cutbacks and the ammount of patients needed to be seen and the doctor doesnt know what he can do now for the moment.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

and how do we know that some of these people are not fighting for their people IE The Common Man?

As i said people were heard to be shouting "We are just getting our taxes back" during looting.

When people are being denied services, benfits and so on they have paid taxes for and yet see those who governs them living a lavish lifestyle in new cars and so on it will annoy most.

Easy because they are just *******S in it for the rush of destroying and stealing other peoples property, we really need water cannon and baton rounds brought in to use and they will soon run home.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Which benefits have been cut?

There are plans to rationalise and consolidate benefits, but these haven't happened yet?

And what about the 99.999% of those in the same position - you lessen them by giving the looters this poor excuse for their thieving.

DLA has been cut for one which could affect upto 500,000 hence the big march in London a month or so ago. Some even said that if they lose part of the money that they get which helps towards care needs and so on they will no longer be able to leave their houses.

The Cutbacks are being taken from the wrong people and those who need it the most.

Originally Posted by Welshchris

DLA has been cut for one which could affect upto 500,000 hence the big march in London a month or so ago

The Cutbacks are being taken from the wrong people and those who need it the most.

Even if there was any truth to this - That still doesn't justify these riots in any way shape or form.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

DLA has been cut for one which could affect upto 500,000 hence the big march in London a month or so ago.

I'd imagine investigators swelled those numbers though

Originally Posted by Osem

I may be wrong by the likes of Shami Chakrabarti have been prety quiet lately. I wonder if they're too busy boarding up their nice homes in their nice streets. I wonder if they're starting to feel rather uneasy about all the civil liberties these **** are taking advantage of. I wonder if they're proud of the weak and ineffectual policing we've been left with as a result of the constant barrage of complaints and legal actions they've generated against the authorities in their single-minded and naive pursuit of 'freedom'.

It's not civil liberties that is allowing them to riot, it's the numbers making it difficult to get a hold on them. They are still breaking the law. We shouldn't use incidents like this to restrict our freedoms. I really doubt they are feeling uneasy about civil liberties considering all of us take advantage of them on a daily basis.

Now their fashionable watering holes, eateries, shops, offices and even homes are being looted and burned I wonder if they'll be quite so forgiving of those who're responsible and quite so ready to jump to their defence? Now the quaint and affluent streets of London are under threat, I wonder if the left leaning, namby-pamby lawyers, judges, politicians, journalists, activists and other apologists who live in them are focussing their minds on what they've allowed to happen and the vigilantism that is starting to surface?

Such a cheap shot. Just because you believe in civil liberties or your 'left leaning' doesn't mean you approve of riots or 'allowed it to happen'

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Masque

It would help if you actually watched or read the news.

It would help if you wasn't so damn rude

I got it off the news. he said someone has been misinformed. we don't use them. meaning I suppose we don't use them and won't be using them.

Originally Posted by Welshchris

DLA has been cut for one which could affect upto 500,000 hence the big march in London a month or so ago

The Cutbacks are being taken from the wrong people and those who need it the most.

The proposed cuts haven't happened yet, so your statement is incorrect.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

and how do we know that some of these people are not fighting for their people IE The Common Man?

As i said people were heard to be shouting "We are just getting our taxes back" during looting.

When people are being denied services, benfits and so on they have paid taxes for and yet see those who governs them living a lavish lifestyle in new cars and so on it will annoy most.

People aren't being denied services.For the past 13 years these people were given whatever they wanted,pandered to,told they were victims,told that society owed them something and that they had nowt to do for it,other than being a victim,of course!
How many BILLIONS have been pumped into all sorts of social programs/social engineering and what not.All of that of course paid for by ordinary,decent mugs that go to work and pay for their own living.

Now that a new government comes in and tries to wean these people off the states t**,all goes up in flames??

No,these 'people' are just leeches,who now take what they were told is theirs anyway.... entitled to it all,responsible for none of it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Whilst I sympathise with your emotion, do you ever think before you type?

The 52k officers cover a 24x7x365 shift system, which is usually 4 shifts and day staff - this roughly equates to 11.5k police officers per shift, with approx 15% on holiday/sick at one time, leaving approx 10k per shift, which over 32 London boroughs means around 300 officers per shift per borough.

I am sure they will be calling people in, with extra overtime and double shifts, but these things take time to organise.

l was just stating that the Met police had that amount of personal and perhaps after the first day they should have been more prepared for the second and third day of riots and perhaps you should have thought more yesterday when l stated that David Cameron should be back in this country and you said l was going over the top in asking for thim to be back in this country well hindsight is a wonderful thing Hugh for both of us as things can develop
very quickly before our eyes but lets give praise to David Cameron for cutting short his holiday and returning forthwith to this country and all we need now is for the police to become more forceful with these idiots.

People in Clapham arriving to clean up the mess:

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Two people making tea for the police on riot patrol:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixel-eight/6024429000/