Riots - Page 8

Gary L · 08-08-2011, 06:45

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Derek

Its Arthur being a idiot again

It's a good job Arthur isn't fat, ginger, irish and ethnic

yeh, the riots are looking bad again.

Sirius · 08-08-2011, 07:27

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Originally Posted by Gary L

It's a good job Arthur isn't fat, ginger, irish and ethnic

yeh, the riots are looking bad again.

Just for you i edited my post.

Pierre · 08-08-2011, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

a guy gets shot dead in a police operation, they must have done plenty of investigations work before doing the operation, which sadly led to the guys death.

I know a Brazillian guy who'll agree with that..........

Osem · 08-08-2011, 08:43

From what little I heard on the radio last night there was a far stronger police presence who were prepared to act more readily and forcefully. How long before the usual apologists for this sort of appalling gang behaviour start moaning about an overreaction, police brutality, provocation etc..

I've also heard, this morning, those who want to have their cake and eat it. The 'community spokespeople' who on the one hand don't associate with or condone the rioting and like to claim it's all down to nasty outsiders stirring up trouble but on the other hand reckon it's a sign of the massive community anger about Duggan's death and disapproval of the terrible police and economic oppression they suffer every day of their lives.

Anyway, I'm sure destroying local businesses and carting off car loads of stolen booty puts all that right and does wonders for their prospects...

Gary L · 08-08-2011, 08:59

I know. the excuses I've heard are high unemployment.

it started off as unhappiness towards the police and the injustice of it all, and they throw not having a job and claiming benefits into it all.

**Damien** · 08-08-2011, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I know a Brazillian guy who'll agree with that..........

That's what I have been thinking throughout. Quite a lot of comments then on how the guy was asking for it and deserved it and then it turned out he was innocent and sadly shot dead. Better to wait for the facts than jump to assumptions and that applies to both sides.

Arthurgray50@blu · 08-08-2011, 09:20

Stuart CFT, This was the reason behind my comment re ' Its the police fault'.

What we have here is that the community of Tottenham are quick to blame the police for the way they handled the riot, such as the woman who said if it was Scotland Yard, they would have been quicker to respond.

The riots in Tottenham was caused by thugs who were out to rip the heart out of N17, all these people that come out and say they want answers, cannot get it until an enquiry has been made, that was made clear on TV.

What l cannot understand is why on earth the riots started in N17 where the incident last week took place, why the hell does it involve Enfield, Brixton and Shepherds Bush, where rioting was also happening.

The full wait of the courts must take over and punish those offenders, but there again they will be standing outside the courts this morning with all there mates and swagger out with there thumbs up and say l have got community service and l have got away with it.

**Damien** · 08-08-2011, 09:22

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Originally Posted by Osem

I've also heard, this morning, those who want to have their cake and eat it. The 'community spokespeople' who on the one hand don't associate with or condone the rioting and like to claim it's all down to nasty outsiders stirring up trouble but on the other hand reckon it's a sign of the massive community anger about Duggan's death and disapproval of the terrible police and economic oppression they suffer every day of their lives.

Why can't it be both? Rioters are wrong and not to be condoned but there is genuine anger at the police?

**Hugh** · 08-08-2011, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Damien

Why can't it be both? Rioters are wrong and not to be condoned but there is genuine anger at the police?

Anger based on insufficient information - sounds like some CF posters.....

denphone · 08-08-2011, 09:34

The Home secretary cuts short her holiday and returns home to take charge of the situation and pity some other politicians could not return home from their holidays as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...am-duggan-blog

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...iots-live.html

**Damien** · 08-08-2011, 09:39

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Anger based on insufficient information - sounds like some CF posters.....

Yes there isn't insufficient information but that doesn't stop, as you say, some CF posters being content to presume the police have no case to answer with regards to the shooting. The rioting is pathetic and does no one any good and the community leaders, the family of the man who was shot and others have been quick to condemn the rioting.

We're dealing with two different issues here and just as the shooting doesn't justify the riots, the riots does not remove the question of how police handled the incident which led to the death of Mark Duggan. There seems to be a view that anyone who expresses sympathy with those concerns, as those community leaders did, is condoning the violence. The reality is more complicated than that.

Arthurgray50@blu · 08-08-2011, 09:45

There has been a rumour that Spurs first PL could be postponed due to the riots.

The best thing would be for the game to go ahead and this will bring the people together and possible calm the situation.

The shooting of the male, everyone is saying conclusions about this, but until we know the full facts about what happened, l suggest nothing more is said on that.

My hearts go out to all the residents that have been effected by the riots, and also at the Allied Carpet building, we don't know if anyone was trapped in this building, but the site of this building being destroyed, even breaks my heart, as l used to wait outside there for my mates before going to the game.

Jimmy-J · 08-08-2011, 09:50

The amount of people phoning in to LBC Radio and blaming everyone and everything but the rioters, is unbelievable. http://ukrp.musicradio.com/lbc973/live

TheDaddy · 08-08-2011, 09:54

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Originally Posted by denphone

Now Sirius lets not stereotype every student as most are decent law abiding citizens.

He didn't sterotype anyone, he said ask some of the students that were rioting

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Originally Posted by martyh

As a law abiding citizen and tax payer i demand that tonight when it all kicks off again we have some batton rounds and water cannons employed by the police and local TA regiment

Trouble is if we're only bringing rubber bullets and water cannons, they'll probably be better armed

denphone · 08-08-2011, 09:55

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

The amount of people phoning in to LBC Radio and blaming everyone and everything but the rioters, is unbelievable. http://ukrp.musicradio.com/lbc973/live

To my mind there is simply no excuse for the rioting and looting that took place and well l suspect most of the people phoning up are probably family members, relatives and friends who don't know any better.