Contractors

[Cabletvman]

cable monkey sees this from a simlar position as me! I think top banana may be one of those office based tosspots you are referring to that never goes into the field and sits in the office all googling!
Calling me a fool does not help and does not answer my question. Has anyone got any feedback on what life is like working for Kellys on the BT Openreach contract?

Cable tvman - i responded in the way I did because your comments from an insider in VM are untrue - there are many reports about VM's loss of customers and it has nothing to do with the partnerships with Fujitsu and Mcnics. These deals were cut because they treat people like people. Re Cable Monkey - its early days into this deal but the facts are they immediatley gave everyone new vans and tools, offered all techs a pension and thats just the start. They also offered loans to people who were stung by Kellys back charges which by the way Fujitsu don't do.

Regarding Kellys Openreach - there is some stuff here, you need to go to the last page for the most recent posts. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...rs-page-8.html

[cable monkey]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Cable tvman - i responded in the way I did because your comments from an insider in VM are untrue - there are many reports about VM's loss of customers and it has nothing to do with the partnerships with Fujitsu and Mcnics. These deals were cut because they treat people like people. Re Cable Monkey - its early days into this deal but the facts are they immediatley gave everyone new vans and tools, offered all techs a pension and thats just the start. They also offered loans to people who were stung by Kellys back charges which by the way Fujitsu don't do.

Regarding Kellys Openreach - there is some stuff here, you need to go to the last page for the most recent posts. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...rs-page-8.html

Ftel have spent millions on vans and tools for a 3+1 yr contract,they are looking to take 90% of VM workers on from call center workers, planners,network engineers,PM's and the like to make sure that this becomes a permanant thing as they have both got into bed together over the new FTTH project which is worth £5billion over the next 5 years,Ftel have taken on MAP managers who have the worst reputation of treating worker like **** to ensure there targets and therefore bonus's are met,this isnt going to change in the near future,so Ftel become another MAP but on a much larger scale which wont be easy to turn round once the rot has set in

Good lord I don't know who supplies you with information but you are wrong. Fujitsu are a Japanese company who have very high standards when it comes to employee welfare. You clearly skipped over the bit about pensions - did Map offer these - no. The managment teams will have to work in the way that both Fujitsu and VM expect. Yes VM and Fujitsu are looking at working together on certain things but thats what big companies do.

Why not carry out some research via google rather than spreading malicious gossip?

Originally Posted by cable monkey

Ftel have spent millions on vans and tools for a 3+1 yr contract,they are looking to take 90% of VM workers on from call center workers, planners,network engineers,PM's and the like to make sure that this becomes a permanant thing as they have both got into bed together over the new FTTH project which is worth £5billion over the next 5 years,Ftel have taken on MAP managers who have the worst reputation of treating worker like **** to ensure there targets and therefore bonus's are met,this isnt going to change in the near future,so Ftel become another MAP but on a much larger scale which wont be easy to turn round once the rot has set in

[cable monkey]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Good lord I don't know who supplies you with information but you are wrong. Fujitsu are a Japanese company who have very high standards when it comes to employee welfare. You clearly skipped over the bit about pensions - did Map offer these - no. The managment teams will have to work in the way that both Fujitsu and VM expect. Yes VM and Fujitsu are looking at working together on certain things but thats what big companies do.

Why not carry out some research via google rather than spreading malicious gossip?

you really are a office waller get in the real world and look at what people right about MAP they are already in at ftel some in high positions they will use the same bully boy tactics, i have worked for FTel before when they had the VM contract and they were only intrested in results,so dont give me the very high standards crap the end line is profit so get of your head from up ur arse

Mmm - you have worked for Map and FTel and have given your view on both of them. Who is the lucky recipient of your skills next I wonder?

have worked for having worked on the busiess install side of this for over 10yrs i must say that MAP were by far the biggest bunch of tosspots going
i have worked for FTel before when they had the VM contract

Originally Posted by cable monkey

you really are a office waller get in the real world and look at what people right about MAP they are already in at ftel some in high positions they will use the same bully boy tactics, i have worked for FTel before when they had the VM contract and they were only intrested in results,so dont give me the very high standards crap the end line is profit so get of your head from up ur arse

[Cabletvman]

Banana Man, sitting in the big corporate office all day playing on google will not deliver a happy customer. Its us guys in the field that deliver happy customers. in my short time in fuji land all I see is a load of corporate type managers settling in for a cushy life. If I have a pound for everytime i heard the "pension" being used in the same sentence as "fujitsu" i woulnt need a pension. It now looks like i will earn significantly less here in fuji land than I did with Kellys! this doesnt make sence ! I guess the profits have to be sent back to japan!

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My friend from inside VM just called me to say its all hitting the fan again over performance! it appears I was right (as usual) we have gone from being a contracting company with an identity, all pulling together, to an insignificant part of one of the biggest companies in the world, and everyone is just putting the day down, job and knock....

he said that the the NPS quality score for VM had gone through the floor.
the contractors are ranked as follows

Comex 2%

McN 4%

Fujitsu 18%

Map 21%

Kellys 24%

so, commex are the worst and kelly are the best, It certainly felt that way when I worked for them.

Just goes to show you banana man, you can be a trillion $ company but that does not mean that you can deliver a happy customer!!!

happy googling,

PS, why do they call you banana man?

You have no friends in VM so stop telling lies. Perhaps you and Cablemonkey are both Kellys people attempting to spread rubbish about the new companies.

Originally Posted by Cabletvman

Banana Man, sitting in the big corporate office all day playing on google will not deliver a happy customer. Its us guys in the field that deliver happy customers. in my short time in fuji land all I see is a load of corporate type managers settling in for a cushy life. If I have a pound for everytime i heard the "pension" being used in the same sentence as "fujitsu" i woulnt need a pension. It now looks like i will earn significantly less here in fuji land than I did with Kellys! this doesnt make sence ! I guess the profits have to be sent back to japan!

---------- Post added at 17:48 ---------- Previous post was at 17:10 ----------

My friend from inside VM just called me to say its all hitting the fan again over performance! it appears I was right (as usual) we have gone from being a contracting company with an identity, all pulling together, to an insignificant part of one of the biggest companies in the world, and everyone is just putting the day down, job and knock....

he said that the the NPS quality score for VM had gone through the floor.
the contractors are ranked as follows

Comex 2%

McN 4%

Fujitsu 18%

Map 21%

Kellys 24%

so, commex are the worst and kelly are the best, It certainly felt that way when I worked for them.

Just goes to show you banana man, you can be a trillion $ company but that does not mean that you can deliver a happy customer!!!

happy googling,

PS, why do they call you banana man?

[Russ]

If people can't behave themselves and act like grown-ups on here then infractions will be issues and accounts suspended. Consider this the first and last warning to be posted in this thread.

[redone]

It seems fujitsu arnt all they are cracked up to be was reading some paperwork about the wages that stated all overtime and bonus points are to be paid 3months in areas. They have asked for techs to do mondays as overtime in Liverpool and they have been told where to go.

[Tcomms]

sounds like i made the right decision by leavin catv land to work with kellys on the bt contract - 5 days a week, home for 6 at latest, treated with respect AND well paid -i cud go on............ lovin it!

[Cabletvman]

hi Tcomms
would you have a number for who to contact to in Kelly to get onto the BT contract. There are a bunch of working for fujitsu in the midlands that are not happy with the extra workload etc and uncertainty around pay. for sure we are not going to be on the deal we were promised when we left kellys. The rumours are, we are all being changed onto £14k as a standard wage, and then wait 3 months for topups bonus etc. I cant live on 14k. This must be what fuji meant by "adopt and adapt" In my world this translates to, "we will make you promises to get you on board, once we have you we are going to shaft you, and you wont be able to leave as we will always have 3 months bonus money belonging to you!!!"

Tcomms, are you prepared to say what sarary you are on at Kelly / BT?

[WooLLsterQ]

BT Contract on Kelly's is: 21k Basic for 3.5 jobs a day average over the month. 24k for 4 complete jobs and 28K for 4.5 completes. You get on average 6 jobs a day.

[Cabletvman]

Thanks wooly

Thats more like it!!

Are you working there? are you being treated OK etc?

[WooLLsterQ]

It's a million miles better than Map/Kelly Vm or VM service tech ever was. It has its moments like any job, the most annoying aspect of the job is there are circumstances that can happen which will affect your pay that you don't have any control over.

It's quality and H&S before quantiy.