TiVo : Is the TiVo charge now £3 per month on all TV packs?

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by denphone

Pessimism seems to be the order of the day today with several legendary forum members and my advice is just be patient.

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Most of Virgins customer losses are down to students cancelling their services for the summer.

Thanks for that Berkett

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Chad

So Neil Berkett claims. The end of the next quarter should see the 21,200 customers return, and plenty more joining for TiVo. Next quarter looks like it's lining up to be a bumper one for Virgin.

Yes the next 2 or 3 quarters will be very interesting and hopefully this will banish the pessimism from certain members who have slightly overreacted today to Virgins figures today.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Thanks for that Berkett

l did not know my surname had changed Darth Murdoch.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Chad

I'd be interested to find out how many of the 50,000 are new customers to Virgin and how many were already existing customers.

I'm sceptical regarding future sale figures as Virgin have already targeted their high end paying TV customers, who are likeliest to take TiVo, during the soft launch period and so far only 50,000 have the service. The further 25,000 who currently await installation, judging by posts on this forum and other sites, seem mainly to be VIP and XL customers who are reacting to the price drop. I just can't see Virgin having success selling TiVo to M+ and L TV customers. To get the most out of TiVo you really need TV XL plus SKY Movies and SKY Sports to fully justify the cost of the box, £3.00 per month charge and potentially a 18 month contract.

It's a premium product which has already been targeted at premium customers and has had poor results.

Maybe Virgin will drop the £3.00 charge for all customers by next quarter?

Why are you so bothered by all this?

I've got Tivo and I love it. VM aren't going to ditch Tivo, so why should I be concerned or care about how many other people have it?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Chad

Alternatively let's come back to this in 12 months time when we will clearly be able to tell if TiVo has been a massive hit, or costly flop.

Virgin have already stated they are going to move all their customers across to TiVo eventually, so it will never be 'a flop'

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Chad

I totally agree with Muppetman, content is king

Probably why as well as getting Tivo rolled out they've got Sky Anytime+ coming as well then?

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Virgin have already stated they are going to move all their customers across to TiVo eventually, so it will never be 'a flop'

I personally think it will be a hit over time , however the user base will decide this not Virgin.

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Originally Posted by TheDon

Probably why as well as getting Tivo rolled out they've got Sky Anytime+ coming as well then?

Yes this will be a good addition.

[Bofrok]

Originally Posted by zantarous

i have seen this posted time and time again but no one has ever provided any evidence of it?

I can't confirm how much of the £3 Virgin pay TiVo but if you see a Virgin Media TiVo Blog posting - Investment bank estimates cost of TiVo deal for Virgin Media to be £29 million - it states:

"From a Tivo SEC filing, some language on the Virgin deal: “The monthly fees, which commence upon delivery, are guaranteed and increase over time. The agreement has a multi-year term with additional limited renewal rights granted to Virgin. The agreement creates a mutually exclusive distribution arrangement under which TiVo will develop software for DVR set top box platforms and non-DVR set top boxes that will be deployed in the future by Virgin in the United Kingdom...."

Link to the original article shows it to be posted in November 2009

[zantarous]

Of course there is a monthly fee but what I am saying is that Virgin used to pay liberate there wasn't a separate payment for that. For all we know VM decided that they could tag on £3 to each subscriber and call it a TV fee.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by zantarous

Of course there is a monthly fee but what I am saying is that Virgin used to pay liberate there wasn't a separate payment for that. For all we know VM decided that they could tag on £3 to each subscriber and call it a TV fee.

There was a seperate fee when the V+HD/TV Drive first launched - £10 a month for those on the top package and £15 a month for those on lower packages

[alwaysabear]

Originally Posted by denphone

Pessimism seems to be the order of the day today with several legendary forum members and my advice is just be patient.

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Den we have been very patent as you well know "how long is a piece of string" comes to mind.

[Bofrok]

Originally Posted by zantarous

Of course there is a monthly fee but what I am saying is that Virgin used to pay liberate there wasn't a separate payment for that. For all we know VM decided that they could tag on £3 to each subscriber and call it a TV fee.

Anything's possible I suppose but I can't see it myself. If they didn't charge the £3 (or whatever TiVo require) they would be paying that money out of existing funds and risk making a potential loss.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

There was a seperate fee when the V+HD/TV Drive first launched - £10 a month for those on the top package and £15 a month for those on lower packages

I remember that, though we did not get ours until the VIP packs came out. Think the fee was dropped (by) then or am I wrong?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Bofrok

I remember that, though we did not get ours until the VIP packs came out. Think the fee was dropped (by) then or am I wrong?

It was changed in June 2007 (and was always covered by the VIP bundle), but remember even now the V+HD box costs £5 on M/M+/L where the TiVo is £3

[Chad]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Why are you so bothered by all this?

I'm not, seriously. I'm just trying to give an alternative opinion and view on this to provoke thought and debate. My opinions may not be liked by everyone, or even accurate, but that's the beauty of posting in a forum.

Originally Posted by BenMcr

It was changed in June 2007 (and was always covered by the VIP bundle), but remember even now the V+HD box costs £5 on M/M+/L where the TiVo is £3

Hopefully the TiVo charge will be merged into XL or VIP in the (near) future then.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Virgin have already stated they are going to move all their customers across to TiVo eventually, so it will never be 'a flop'

I suppose it all depends when they decide to roll it our to every customer. I'd imagine customers who get TiVo, but don't actually request TiVo will get it free of charge? TiVo will be a success if Virgin claw back their costs for development, production and marketing before they start rolling it out across the whole network.

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Originally Posted by TheDon

Probably why as well as getting Tivo rolled out they've got Sky Anytime+ coming as well then?

Knowing our friends at SKY, our version will purely be SD while SKY will offer their customers HD content across the board. We all know SKY too well now, they make you think you're getting a good deal just before pulling the rug from under your feet.