Ghosts

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I believe that the paranormal is something that people should not mess with.

I thought that was the moderators of this forum?

[tosh mate]

My house and other's in my street are supposedly haunted by monk's,
as a local chapel had a 'priest run' (tunnel) running from it to a monastery about 11 mile's away.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

My message to people who use 'weeji boards' what ever they are called is DON'T, that can bering some nasty experiences.

'Ouija' boards are only board games made by Parker. they were never designed to 'contact the dead'. you can blame 'The Exorsist' for that. it's just a game.

Love how many of these 'paranormal' beliefs are concepts which originated in fiction.

[tosh mate]

Originally Posted by Damien

Love how many of these 'paranormal' beliefs are concepts which originated in fiction.

A lot of thing's are 'Born' of fiction not just 'paranormal' belief's

Originally Posted by tosh mate

A lot of thing's are 'Born' of fiction not just 'paranormal' belief's

Yes but few seem to enter peoples' beliefs quite like the Paranormal does.

[tosh mate]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes but few seem to enter peoples' beliefs quite like the Paranormal does.

Maybe so, but We all have a belief in something.

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by Damien

Belief and even witnessing is not evidence.

For a ghost to exist, to have an affect on something, to be seen, they need to be physically there. If they are physically there then we would have measured their existence already.

Can you measure Love?
Can you measure the bond between a mother or father and their child?

Just because something can't be measured, or probed in a lab, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by AdamD

Can you measure Love?
Can you measure the bond between a mother or father and their child?

Just because something can't be measured, or probed in a lab, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

We know these are emotions and while we cannot explain everything about the brain we can measure emotional reaction and watch sections of the brain react to such measures. I.E We can measure the brain reacting when you mention to someone the name of the person they love. Also the bond between a parent and child is an observable reaction in humanity and other animals - from an evolutionary perspective these emotions are key to the development of most species.

Ghosts are not physically possible. They both float though walls and let can make items move. Therefore they must be composed of some magical elements which can both be pretty much nothing and yet exert physical force. Not a small trick.

There is no proof. As I mentioned above you might as well be arguing for the existence of vampires or shapeshifting lizards.

And yes, just because something can't be measured in the lab doesn't mean it does exist. Science isn't just about lab work. It's about removing human bias from a theory in order to learn something new about the Universe. We could conduct other experiments to at least lend some evidence for ghosts. We could go to a location famed for it's ghosts and see if there is a lot of unexplained stuff happening.

If ghosts exist and are actually having a physical effect on the world then we could certainly find out about it.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by AdamD

Can you measure Love?
Can you measure the bond between a mother or father and their child?

Just because something can't be measured, or probed in a lab, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Can u measure love?

Women tend to think the bigger the better :-x

[denphone]

Originally Posted by tosh mate

Maybe so, but We all have a belief in something.

Do you believe in life after death.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Damien

Ghosts are not physically possible. They both float though walls and let can make items move. Therefore they must be composed of some magical elements which can both be pretty much nothing and yet exert physical force. Not a small trick.

Ghosts are not possible according to our current understanding of physics. That does not mean they are impossible. 200 years ago, it was impossible for man to fly. Before that, it was impossible that the world wasn't flat. We now know that neither is true.

There is no proof. As I mentioned above you might as well be arguing for the existence of vampires or shapeshifting lizards.

And yes, just because something can't be measured in the lab doesn't mean it does exist. Science isn't just about lab work. It's about removing human bias from a theory in order to learn something new about the Universe. We could conduct other experiments to at least lend some evidence for ghosts. We could go to a location famed for it's ghosts and see if there is a lot of unexplained stuff happening.

If ghosts exist and are actually having a physical effect on the world then we could certainly find out about it.

We could. Do I believe in ghosts? Yes and no. I seek proof, so I am open to the possibility they do exist. I have even experienced things that could be considered ghosts. In my case, however, a lot of what I have experienced could be caused by other things.

Even if they do exist they could be caused by an interaction between the brain of the watcher and something in the environment. That is speculation on my part, and while it doesn't explain how ghosts move things, it could explain why we can't record proof.

I do find it interesting that people who are certain that God exists are also certain that ghosts don't..

Originally Posted by Stuart

Ghosts are not possible according to our current understanding of physics. That does not mean they are impossible. 200 years ago, it was impossible for man to fly. Before that, it was impossible that the world wasn't flat. We now know that neither is true.

They are only not 'impossible' in the way anything isn't 'impossible'. That is if we discover some new fundmental aspect of our universe it could be true. That is the same basis on which we 'could' be living inside a computer simulation.

I think things need more substance than that, which is why I am comfortable ruling out the existence of ghosts. I don't want to work on the assumption that everything should be considered until we categorically rule it out because such a task is impossible. When we start getting into changing the laws of the Universe then, indeed, anything is possible. Probably isn't though.

We could. Do I believe in ghosts? Yes and no. I seek proof, so I am open to the possibility they do exist. I have even experienced things that could be considered ghosts. In my case, however, a lot of what I have experienced could be caused by other things.

Certainly were caused by other things. The mind sees patterns where they do not exist. This is not pseudo-physiology, it's a known, documented and observed part of the mind. As an example when Stairway to Heaven is played backwards it's gibberish. When it's played backwards but you have the lryics suggested to you your mind hears those lyrics. It's a cool trick.

Even if they do exist they could be caused by an interaction between the brain of the watcher and something in the environment. That is speculation on my part, and while it doesn't explain how ghosts move things, it could explain why we can't record proof.

If they make a physical impact on the world and manifest themselves then proof shouldn't be hard. There are interacting with our world in a way that other paranormal entities to do not. They should be very easy to detect.

I do find it interesting that people who are certain that God exists are also certain that ghosts don't..

Well I don't think a god exists but I find a belief in god a far more rational belief than ghosts. There is a respected history and theology behind the major religions and, unlike ghosts, it doesn't matter if that theology is physically impossible because the concept of a god exists outside the universe.

[Barewolf]

Theres lots of things science cant explain. Take near death experiences for an example. Its about as close to this subject as you can get.

Ive read many cases that simply cant be explained away.

And scientists already have admitted that theres about 11 dimentions. Is it not equally possible that ghosts might occupy one of them?

How do you also explain dogs senses? They appear to see things we cant. Ive witnessed this first hand. I also once saw a documentary of a dog owner who had a camcorder set up to capture what his dog did when he was almost home. The Dog somehow knew his owner was on his way home, yet had no way of knowing.

I find it entirely plausible that animals can sense something we cant.

[Stephen]

Animals get used to when things happen, like patterns. My cats are always waiting by the door when I get home, due to it being at the same time almost every day.

I do think your mind may be playing tricks on you though.