Should Virgin Media Throttle p2p traffic? - Page 10

deuse · 02-05-2011, 15:15

I answered NO because it's illegal for the retail trade to sell you a pint of beer only to find
out you only got 3/4 when you get home. And so it should be the same for all IPs.

craigj2k12 · 02-05-2011, 15:44

what equipment do virgin media use to throttle p2p software?

i know someone posted a link in the past, but i cant find it

Chrysalis · 02-05-2011, 16:54

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Originally Posted by roughbeast

I answered 'No' to the question mainly because of the effects of VM's poor throttling software on gaming. I would have no objection to torrents being throttled between certain hours.

Out of concern for other users I schedule my torrents to run outside of the peak evening slot. ie off at 4.00 pm, on at 12.00 midnight. Weekends I treat differently. If other torrent users could do the same then everyone except copyright holders would be happy.

I think most would be more forgiving if it was a blacklist rather than whitelist policy so unidentified traffic unthrottled or at least treated in high enough regard so it doesnt break mainstream apps. Yes the ISP wouldnt be saving so much in bandwidth costs but they would still be saving something.

According to sandevine whilst p2p remains a majority of upload traffic it is now a minority of download traffic.

**Hugh** · 02-05-2011, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I think most would be more forgiving if it was a blacklist rather than whitelist policy so unidentified traffic unthrottled or at least treated in high enough regard so it doesnt break mainstream apps. Yes the ISP wouldnt be saving so much in bandwidth costs but they would still be saving something.

According to sandevine whilst p2p remains a majrity of upload traffic it is now a minority of download traffic.

That may be true worldwide, but Cisco's estimate in 2009 (can't find anything more recent) states that in the UK

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File sharing (i.e. peer-to-peer sharing where internet users connect with each other and directly share files stored on their hard drives) accounted for around 30% of traffic

craigj2k12 · 02-05-2011, 18:48

does anyone know the equipment used?

from what i can remember it was a foreign country who supplied the hardware used at the CMTS to throttle P2P protocols

Chrysalis · 02-05-2011, 21:09

http://www.plus.net/addons/pro/

note unidentified is listed and if pay extra it can be prioritised. VM take note.

craigj2k12 · 02-05-2011, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

http://www.plus.net/addons/pro/

note unidentified is listed and if pay extra it can be prioritised. VM take note.

That should be exactly how VM do it, but if they do that, they will screw it up, i.e. by saying gaming is prioritised, then ending up blocking it lol

Ignitionnet · 03-05-2011, 07:07

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Originally Posted by craigj2k11

does anyone know the equipment used?

from what i can remember it was a foreign country who supplied the hardware used at the CMTS to throttle P2P protocols

Interesting use of language there, I'm interested in seeing where this is going.

Anyway it's these.

ErnieBean · 03-05-2011, 08:24

If you pay for unlimited download, then you should not be throttled

**Maggy** · 03-05-2011, 08:34

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Originally Posted by ErnieBean

If you pay for unlimited download, then you should not be throttled

Even if your use of the service degrades other users service on your network?

Ignitionnet · 03-05-2011, 08:36

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Originally Posted by ErnieBean

If you pay for unlimited download, then you should not be throttled

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Unlimited services can have P2P throttled on them.

carlwaring · 03-05-2011, 08:40

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Originally Posted by ErnieBean

If you pay for unlimited download, then you should not be throttled

In the context of broadband usage, "unlimited" always refers to the amount of data you can download, not the speed.

craigj2k12 · 03-05-2011, 08:46

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Interesting use of language there, I'm interested in seeing where this is going.

Anyway it's these.

i didnt really know what i was asking for, so it was pretty hard to describe!!!

pip08456 · 03-05-2011, 13:56

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

In the context of broadband usage, "unlimited" always refers to the amount of data you can download, not the speed.

I woulld be more inclined to agree with you but for VM sending out letters asking users not to download so much during peak hours, especially with traffic shaping in effect which in itself is a limit on amount, not just speed.

carlwaring · 03-05-2011, 14:04

Whether you agree with me or no is irrelevant as what I posted was not opinion but simply actual fact