Monarchy or Republic?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Masque

We have had no need of the monarchy since the restoration and all they are is a tourist attraction that has to much of our money and what should be public property that should be in the public domain.

Bring in the guillotine and the tumbrils.

I agree.
the time has come for change.
let's get the wedding out the way and issue them all with notice to quit.

reason being (you don't do nutthin!)

[Pog66]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Even moreso after reading this complete load of rubbish.

Well if Stan Collymore supports them then I'm sold.....

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And before!

Bloody Romans - what have they ever done for us?

Aye let's give everything back to the Welsh!

To me, the only persuasive argument against the monarchy is that it is the pinnacle of a class system that has no place in our modern society. However, that class system is slowly eroding beneath them anyway and, even if Charles shows no signs of being a modernizing monarch, it is clear that William will be.

Arguments in favour of republic do not persuade me. An executive president like Obama in the USA or Sarkozy in France is a political, and therefore a divisive, figure. The Head of State should be a unifying symbol of the nation, not a divisive political one. And a non-executive figure, like McAleese in Ireland or Christian Wulff in Germany (who I had to look up ... anyone ever heard of him? I hadn't) ... well, what's the point? If you're going to have a ceremonial figure, why not have someone whose family history is woven into the very fabric of the nation? The alternative, it seems to me, is either a washed-up ex-politician, or, worse, a celebrity. Katie Price for president, anyone?

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Bloody Romans - what have they ever done for us?

I feel a sketch coming on

[Jon T]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

I feel a sketch coming on

All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?

Same old simplistic rants coming out i see "they do nothing" and "they cost us money" seriously you people need to do some research before posting helps you to avoid looking completely ignorant. Monarchy does a hell of a lot for this country and most of it never gets reported or acknowledged as they don't make a fuss about it and certain media companys have their own agenda which is not served highlighting the work the royal family do for the benefit of this country.

They cost the country very little and actually revenues from crown estates outweigh any monies paid by the civil list by a considerable amount. Add in the dipomatic weight they have with near universal respect and the jobs and investment they bring to the UK and i think we would be a much poorer country in every sense if we got rid of them and became yet another republic.

Originally Posted by Chris

To me, the only persuasive argument against the monarchy is that it is the pinnacle of a class system that has no place in our modern society. However, that class system is slowly eroding beneath them anyway and, even if Charles shows no signs of being a modernizing monarch, it is clear that William will be.

surely though the class system exists without a monarchy sure it's not a heriditary one like ours but i would say that Obama(the pinnacle of the American class system) and all the senators are upper class along with the heads of corporations ,having a class system is not dependant on having lords ,earls kings and queens imo ,so i would say even that isn't a good argument against the Monarchy imo

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Same old simplistic rants coming out i see "they do nothing" and "they cost us money" seriously you people need to do some research before posting helps you to avoid looking completely ignorant. Monarchy does a hell of a lot for this country and most of it never gets reported or acknowledged as they don't make a fuss about it and certain media companys have their own agenda which is not served highlighting the work the royal family do for the benefit of this country.

They cost the country very little and actually revenues from crown estates outweigh any monies paid by the civil list by a considerable amount. Add in the dipomatic weight they have with near universal respect and the jobs and investment they bring to the UK and i think we would be a much poorer country in every sense if we got rid of them and became yet another republic.

There you go Rizzy i posted this the other day for the benefit of other "revolutionaries" i think it may be worth having it here as well

http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalHous...penditure.aspx

[Sparkle]

I voted moncharch because I find it hard to imagine this country where the monarch makes a bigger mess of it that this so-called elected government has. Come on Queen, dissolve parlimanent, get us out of the EU and kick out all the foreigners.

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

kick out all the foreigners.

Erm yes the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha would be well placed to do that of wouldn't they.

I kind of like the historical element and the excuse for national pomp and circumstance that gives Britain some sort of national identity . It's a rather historical and traditional image we convey with these events but that gives a strong identity that attracts tourism.

We still have that image of a historic and traditional yet eccentric country IMO. I kind of like that.

[nomadking]

When there are Royal events, big or small(eg wedding or hospital visit), it makes it a special and memorable day for a number of ordinary people. Why deny them that harmless and peaceful enjoyment?

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

Erm yes the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha would be well placed to do that of wouldn't they.

Are they still considered foreigners?
I do tire of hearing and reading the endless sagas of politically correct apologetics who say there is no such thing as British because we've been invaded so many times, the typical invasion sequence cited begins with the Romans, then continues with the Angles, Saxons, Vikings, and finally ending with the Normans. As a result they say, whats the point since we're a mixture of everything, since the defining line between British and foreign is so muddied as to be indistinguishable, so lets just let them all in they say.

These people often seem to forget that when the Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans invaded, they raped and pillaged. They didn't respect their hosts until they were either whipped into submission or in danger of losing their kingdoms. This is why everything that we have now should be protected from the plights of those foreigners who care only for themselves rather than what is ours, and the day we lose our national indentity is the same day we've as good as handed it all over on a silver platter.
The Royal Wedding ™ will serve to reinforce our national identity, as does the Monarchy in general - so I think it's another good thing for this nation.
Rule Brittania !

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Looking at the voting results, I had no idea the CF was such a hot-bed of Royalists.

[Sparkle]

Yes I agree Heero_yuy, its just a pipe-dream really. The Queen dissolving parliament almost sounds like something from a Carry-on film. And I'm sure that in real life, it'd be equally as entertaining too !

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Normans invaded, they raped and pillaged.

Quite, the foundations that the class and landowning system in this country is based on. Them pesky French speaking foreigners!