New BBC iPlayer ?

[japitts]

You miss the point jameseh..

There has been a fault since before December last year affecting BBC iPlayer programs on VM Catch-Up. If TiVo VOD uses a different platform than the standard box, I'm suggesting that this would give VM a rather convenient excuse to let issues such as this, fester - while quietly making sure faults with TiVo are fixed.

[muppetman11]

The online full TIVO Iplayer may have more content but the PQ is way worse than the HD BBC content on V+

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

The online full TIVO Iplayer may have more content but the PQ is way worse than the HD BBC content on V+

Looks great to me, wasn't expecting to look so good (iPlayer HD).

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

The online full TIVO Iplayer may have more content but the PQ is way worse than the HD BBC content on V+

I do believe that the HD quality is the same or even better than the V+ box, Anyway how are you able to compare as you are a SKY TV customer ( sorry you have TV M )

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

I do believe that the HD quality is the same or even better than the V+ box, Anyway how are you able to compare as you are a SKY TV customer ( sorry you have TV M )

Same here, Sd looks about the same, it's not great on ether box!

[JPL]

I definitely find it a lot softer, I did say on nother thread that I work with HD material everyday so I may be more critical but if it's the same feed as your PC draws and the same rate then the bit rate simply isn't good enough to fill a 40 inch sreen.
When my iPhone conects with the iPlayer, the servers know that it's a phone and sends the appropriate version at the appropriate bitrate, surely it wouldn't be too hard for the BBC to do something similar for Tivo, a specific version

[mkdr25]

Originally Posted by JPL

I definitely find it a lot softer, I did say on nother thread that I work with HD material everyday so I may be more critical but if it's the same feed as your PC draws and the same rate then the bit rate simply isn't good enough to fill a 40 inch sreen.
When my iPhone conects with the iPlayer, the servers know that it's a phone and sends the appropriate version at the appropriate bitrate, surely it wouldn't be too hard for the BBC to do something similar for Tivo, a specific version

that would mean the BBC would have to invest in yet another real time transcode of the service. They already do about 5 versions at great expense.

The only hope is for the BBC to increase the bit rate of their web FLV and direct feed versions. From the currently quite low 1500 (SD) and 3200kbps (HD) to something more suitable for large screens.

Vm dont really have a say on that. They could however make current BBC VOD content available to Tivo users as it is with V+ users.

Originally Posted by japitts

You miss the point jameseh..

There has been a fault since before December last year affecting BBC iPlayer programs on VM Catch-Up. If TiVo VOD uses a different platform than the standard box, I'm suggesting that this would give VM a rather convenient excuse to let issues such as this, fester - while quietly making sure faults with TiVo are fixed.

I've used iPlayer on both versions of the V+ box and never faced a problem or picture glitch once. And as its been said before its too costly to give everyone TiVo so I imagine the old boxes will have to be catered for the remaining 5+ years of their lives.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

And as its been said before its too costly to give everyone TiVo so I imagine the old boxes will have to be catered for the remaining 5+ years of their lives.

Virgin have already said they plan to get everyone on TiVo over the next few years

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Originally Posted by mkdr25

Vm dont really have a say on that. They could however make current BBC VOD content available to Tivo users as it is with V+ users.

I would assume Virgin don't have a say in that either. How the BBC's content is accessed is surely down to the BBC

[mkdr25]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Virgin have already said they plan to get everyone on TiVo over the next few years

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I would assume Virgin don't have a say in that either. How the BBC's content is accessed is surely down to the BBC

I meant the content that is currently available to non-tivo owners. This is still being provided by the BBC via the VM VOD servers as well as the content for the app for tivo oweners.

Vm could allow Tivo users access to this legacy system, but they choose not to, favouring the web app. That is under their control.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by mkdr25

Vm could allow Tivo users access to this legacy system, but they choose not to, favouring the web app. That is under their control.

Only from a technology point of view.

The BBC have full control over how their content is delivered. So if it's only via the App it will be the BBC's decision. Virgin can't override that

[mkdr25]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Only from a technology point of view.

The BBC have full control over how their content is delivered. So if it's only via the App it will be the BBC's decision. Virgin can't override that

really? the BBC have that much say? I can see the sense in offering either 1 or the other, but nothing to say that Vm couldn't have stuck with the VM provided iplayer content or allow tivo users access to it as an alternative to the web app.

It just happens that the Tivo is web enabled and therefore can access the iplayer web app. I assume that the other content providers are still coming through the Vm portal?

[dsmuk]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

The BBC have full control over how their content is delivered. So if it's only via the App it will be the BBC's decision. Virgin can't override that

Surely it all depends on what the contract says. If Virgin allowed the BBC to have a full control over how and when services will be delivered then yes, Virgin are at the mercy of the BBC.

If Virgin insisted that the content must be delivered to the VM servers before going to to the final customers and it must be a X quality then Virgin retain a certain level of quality control for a product they are selling to the customer.

This must be putting massive pressure on BBC servers (especially considering the rapid deployment of the iPlayer) if all content is coming centrally - would have thought it would have been in the BBCs interest to send a single TV show into the Virgin network for Virgin to then pass on rather than the BBC sending out the TV show for every customer.

Is this the iPlayer for Tivo http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/ ?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by dsmuk

Is this the iPlayer for Tivo http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/bigscreen/ ?

Pretty much yes, because that's what the BBC want - everyone to access the same experience.

[mkdr25]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Pretty much yes, because that's what the BBC want - everyone to access the same experience.

this interface streams at an even lower quality than the standard web interface! 768kbps instead of 1500kbps for normal windowed SD content on the standard web interface .

Tell me this isn't what the tivo is pointed at?