'Gay cure' Apple iPhone app: more than 80,000 complain

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by iFrankie

Im gay and believe in god.

You may ask how?, well none of your business.

religion and believing in God i think are seperate.

Religion is a belief in a certain ammount of rules that one must abide by and in my opinion its brain washing!. I have witnessed this first hand someone who was a decient everyday person suddenly became one of the most homophobic and judgemental people i have ever met after taking up catholisism.

I believe there is a higher plain of life, wheather a God? Well thats something up for discussion, if there was such a thing why now is he letting so many bad things happen? Why does he let so many people suffer? Why is it that 2000 years ago so many magic and and wonderful things occured in the form of miracles. To me the Bible if full of nothing but tales that have been exaggerated more and more over time and was just created to try and get people to follow a certain order.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

religion and believing in God i think are seperate.

Religion is a belief in a certain ammount of rules that one must abide by and in my opinion its brain washing!. I have witnessed this first hand someone who was a decient everyday person suddenly became one of the most homophobic and judgemental people i have ever met after taking up catholisism.

I believe there is a higher plain of life, wheather a God? Well thats something up for discussion, if there was such a thing why now is he letting so many bad things happen? Why does he let so many people suffer? Why is it that 2000 years ago so many magic and and wonderful things occured in the form of miracles. To me the Bible if full of nothing but tales that have been exaggerated more and more over time and was just created to try and get people to follow a certain order.

Thanks - back on topic now.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

if there was such a thing why now is he letting so many bad things happen? Why does he let so many people suffer? Why is it that 2000 years ago so many magic and and wonderful things occured in the form of miracles. To me the Bible if full of nothing but tales that have been exaggerated more and more over time and was just created to try and get people to follow a certain order.

True.
some will say that was a good thing. but if it's not true, and it was all made up. then how can it be good that you're living a lie in the way that you just want to believe it, and then you base your belief on how you live your life. and expect others that don't believe to live theirs?

it wouldn't be too bad if those that did believe would mind their own business when it comes to telling those that don't believe how they are expected to be.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

True.
some will say that was a good thing. but if it's not true, and it was all made up. then how can it be good that you're living a lie in the way that you just want to believe it, and then you base your belief on how you live your life. and expect others that don't believe to live theirs?

it wouldn't be too bad if those that did believe would mind their own business when it comes to telling those that don't believe how they are expected to be.

It wouldn't be so bad if people could abide by requests to keep threads on topic.

Originally Posted by Chris

Oh I know that - the App Store is an extension of Apple's corporate brand. But Apple is suffering today because it allowed the app in the first place, which tells all those who object that, in and of itself, Apple didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

Apple is a hostage to fortune because it is known to pre-moderate everything. Therefore everything it allows onto the store has implicit approval and association with the brand.

I think it would be a mistake to think Apple didn't think there is anything wrong with it. Rather someone whose job it is to sit though and approve or reject applications all day had let one slip by. In this case it's likely an error of judgement.

Obviously they represent Apple and it does tarnish their brand. It highlights a flaw in their approval process, that individual members of staff have to make judgement calls which could impact negatively upon Apple's brand. A lot more difficult that simply checking if the application is harmful to the device or breaks one of the technical rules imposed on developers by Apple.

What I find slightly depressing in all this is not Apple's behaviour, but the intolerant behaviour of the objectors, who have actively moved to suppress the expression of a world view and a way of living that they disagree with. After years of campaigning against that sort of suppression in their own lives you would have thought they would have known better.

I don't think they are the same thing. Suppression of Homosexuals is not, in my opinion, the same as suppression of those who think that Homosexuality is an illness. People who are homosexuals are not affecting other peoples lives, or certainly don't intend to do so. Whereas those* who are actively opposing homosexuality are certainly seeking to impact upon the lives of others, for something they almost certainly cannot control. I think that opposition to that is justified.

That's not to say I think it should be made illegal but people are certainly entitled to oppose the people who express those views and to protest those who give them a platform to do so.

*'Those' being people who are actively promoting the notion that homosexuality is a illness and can be cured. Not people who are religious, or those who think it is a sin. These groups are not the same thing.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

It wouldn't be so bad if people could abide by requests to keep threads on topic.

Sorry Russ. I was typing that out before I read yours.

Originally Posted by Damien

People who are homosexuals are not affecting other peoples lives, or certainly don't intend to do so.

Thats not true at all, there are many groups who are impacting the lives of many other people in the name of homosexuals. You only have to think back to the couple who were taken to court because they didnt want to allow same sex couples in their guest house - and the multitude of other examples.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Thats not true at all, there are many groups who are impacting the lives of many other people in the name of homosexuals. You only have to think back to the couple who were taken to court because they didnt want to allow same sex couples in their guest house - and the multitude of other examples.

But Homosexuals are to Stonewall what Christians are to people who promote the idea that Homosexuality is an illness. They are not all response for the actions committed by a few in their name. There is a difference between Homosexuals and those who are more militant about it and all sorts of people in between.

Chris, unless I misunderstood him, said that he is disappointed that those who have experienced intolerance are doing to the same to the people behind it/in favour of this application.

However I am saying that I feel there is a substantial difference between intolerance of homosexuals and intolerance of people who actively encourage the notion that homosexuality is a illness.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Damien

However I am saying that I feel there is a substantial difference between intolerance of homosexuals and intolerance of people who actively encourage the notion that homosexuality is a sin.

or those who think that homosexuality is an illness

Originally Posted by Kymmy

or those who think that homosexuality is an illness

Actually. I meant to say illness not sin. My bad.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Thats not true at all, there are many groups who are impacting the lives of many other people in the name of homosexuals. You only have to think back to the couple who were taken to court because they didnt want to allow same sex couples in their guest house - and the multitude of other examples.

Everything in it's context..

Homosexual acts still has a recent past of being illegal in this country up to 1967 and is still illegal in some countries, yet heterosexual intercourse is not yet as we can see both have been around for a long, long time.. So in that respect the law and it's implications is trying to educate others that this is not something that can still be discriminated against.. It's a bit like racism, sexism and other recent changes in acceptable society.. Maybe a century or two later we won't need any of these discrimination laws as everyone will see everyone else as a human being..

We do though live in hope

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Thats not true at all, there are many groups who are impacting the lives of many other people in the name of homosexuals. You only have to think back to the couple who were taken to court because they didnt want to allow same sex couples in their guest house - and the multitude of other examples.

but the same can be said about race to, but people tend to target homosexuals more than any other minority.

[broadbandking]

I think the app is more of a joke than anything, people are too sensative, plus welshchris, homosexuals are not targetted as much as you would think, I know years the case was different but society is alot more accpeting now, people just like to complain because they can, the app should be taken as a joke nothing else.

Originally Posted by Welshchris

but the same can be said about race to, but people tend to target homosexuals more than any other minority.

That would be because race and sexuality are not the same thing ... not that I would condone anyone 'targeting' anyone else for any reason, mind you.

[Stuart]

This could be long..

As I see it, the problem is intolerence, particularly of other's views. This is sadly happening on both sides. Stonewall believe they are right to promote Homosexuality and that any attempt to "cure" it is wrong.

The Religious people (I hesitate to use the word Christian as I don't believe for a second that all Christians believe it) say that it is wrong to promote homosexuality and right to attempt to "cure" it.

The thing is, it looks like both groups are actively trying to restrict the rights of people to disagree with them. That is wrong.

People should (IMO) feel free to be what they are (within the law), without any coercion. If they are happy with themselves, whether gay or straight, good. We all deserve to be.

If they are unhappy, organisations (like Stonewall and the Church) should help them get to a situation where they are happy, but should, IMO try and avoid placing any pressure on them to be one way or the other.

I also believe Homosexuality is not something that can be cured, as it isn't actually something wrong. Saying you can cure it is like saying you can cure someone who is ginger. You can't. Being Ginger is a fact of life, as is Homosexuality.