Taking Islamic Countries

[DocDutch]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

The scenario is imposition of force on a sovereign government.

If an exocet landed in Kettering because of a UN resolution, would you be happy?

Yeah and hopefully they aimed it at the Council offices

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Chris

Indeed ... and that's what underpins this thread, the paranoid notion that there is some sort of Zionist plot unfolding, resulting in the Arab world being persecuted by nasty Americans and Jews. Very worrying.

It isn't paranoia - Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya really are under attack!

Perhaps you can answer the OP question:

Originally Posted by Zee

What is this new trend with the Americans trying to take over Muslim countries, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. Whos next? Pakistan, Iran?

I certainly can't.

Perhaps we should just use harsh language and see if that curtails thier ways?

Besides, what are these invasions that you all speak of anyway?

Originally Posted by TheNorm

It isn't paranoia - Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya really are under attack!

Perhaps you can answer the OP question:

I certainly can't.

That would be because the premise of his question is incorrect. America are not trying to take over Muslim countries. Each case he gave have different stories but let's start with Libya: America are not invading Libya. They are part of a UN mission to enforce a no fly zone, even then they seem to be a minor force with the French and British leading the way. It's simply false on two levels the assertion that America are taking over Libya.

Iraq and Afganistan were different, those were invasion forces led by America. However 'taking over' is a tad strong. I think they stayed much longer than they would have liked, ideally they wanted to leave the countries with stable governments. Governments friendly to the West granted, but free elections mean they would have little control over who got elected.

Originally Posted by TheNorm

It isn't paranoia - Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya really are under attack!

Perhaps you can answer the OP question:



I certainly can't.

well i'll have a bash then ,they aren't ,none of the countries mentioned are being run by the americans none of the countries have been "taken over" by the americans

Iraq, rightly or wrongly ,was invaded the second time to remove a dictator who apparently had WMD's at his disposal by a coalition force

Afghanistan,was occupied by a coalition force to subdue Al Qaeda post 9/11

Lybia hasn't been invaded or "taken over"

[mertle]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

There is a huge difference between a bunch of Pikey's and A man butchering his own people, As far as I'm aware Britain has not started Firing at the traveller's so thats nothing like the other foot. If our forces had opened fire on the student protesters.. then you'd have two feet!

But lets do what everyone seems to suggest, Ignore it and watch another Saddam Hussien in the making.

The whole Oil thing is stupidly old now too, Its a conspiracy and it has got boring really fast.

Infact, this whole thread is full of conspiracies! Americans taking over every Islam country, Americans Plundering oil and Dick Cheney is a Lizard


The thread title suggest's something similar that occured when Hitler was about.

As far as all this goes, Are you suggesting the war on terror is a sham? 9/11 7/7 As long as Bin Laden's head is attached to his neck it will never be over

The norm agreed dont come up with good example but better one is for sure our ocupation of NORTHERN IRELAND.

If we had the atitudes when we was shooting at irish catholics then could we have seen similar actions by un coalision to stop our ocupation of northern ireland.

What happens when this raises up again they demand help from UN.

You're priceless ...

Originally Posted by mertle

The norm agreed dont come up with good example but better one is for sure our ocupation of NORTHERN IRELAND.

If we had the atitudes when we was shooting at irish catholics then could we have seen similar actions by un coalision to stop our ocupation of northern ireland.

What happens when this raises up again they demand help from UN.

We don't make a point of brutalising the Catholics of Northern Ireland. What's more it's hardly a far comparison as the issue of the future of the territory is contested amongst it's inhabitants. There is not a full scale demand for breaking away from the Union and joining Ireland otherwise it would have been done already. Nope, significant numbers of it's population wish to remain residents of the United Kingdom and we work to find a way to accommodate both camps as best we can.

Your comparison is moronic.

[Tezcatlipoca]

So, I've just skimmed the thread.

Two points:


1) We're not "occupying" Northern Ireland, and I very much doubt that the Government would ever decide to carpet bomb Smithy Fen. But, regardless, the UK would never be the subject of a UN-approved action, given that our position as a Permanent Member of the UN Security Council means that we could simply veto any "Traveller Protection" UNSC Resolution proposed by China.

2) Zionists? Meh. Everybody knows it's really the Reptoids pulling all the strings!

[adzii_nufc]

Still wrong, The conspiracy is true! Hitler did survive World War II and Hide the Titanic in his pond.

Lets be serious again. Why is it just the USA supposedly taking over every Islamic based country?

Did you forget our own country is also engaging in Military action with these countries?

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Still wrong, The conspiracy is true! Hitler did survive World War II and Hide the Titanic in his pond.

Now even my avatar would have trouble with that one!

Originally Posted by Zee

What is this new trend with the Americans trying to take over Muslim countries, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. Whos next? Pakistan, Iran?

LOL.

I think you need a new tin foil hat, the old one isnt working anymore.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

We don't make a point of brutalising the Catholics of Northern Ireland. What's more it's hardly a far comparison as the issue of the future of the territory is contested amongst it's inhabitants. There is not a full scale demand for breaking away from the Union and joining Ireland otherwise it would have been done already. Nope, significant numbers of it's population wish to remain residents of the United Kingdom and we work to find a way to accommodate both camps as best we can.

Your comparison is moronic.

Not anymore at any rate

Due to the ferocity of the Tans' behaviour in Ireland and the atrocities committed, feelings continue to run high regarding their actions. "Black and Tan" or "Tan" remains a pejorative term for British in Ireland, and they are still despised by many in Ireland. One of the most famous Irish Republican songs is Dominic Behan's "Come out Ye Black and Tans". The Irish War of Independence is sometimes referred to as the "Tan War" or "Black-and-Tan War." This term was preferred by those who fought on the Anti-Treaty side in the Irish Civil War. The "Cogadh na Saoirse" medal, which was awarded to IRA Volunteers after 1941, bears a ribbon with two vertical stripes in black and tan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans

and some say we continued such brutalising right up until Bloody Sunday and beyond...

Topic?Let us not wander too far away from it please..