TiVo

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by pythagoras

Where is that option? All I see is a recording capacity estimate of 99hrs hd 325 hours sd. This dosnt change and dosnt show estimated time left.

Regards

John.

Sorry my bad, just noticed it doesn't change that figure isnt totally accurate and I believe it will in a future update.

[Perfect Choice]

Originally Posted by ntl.wotcha

For anyone who's still not clear on the padding/recording priority, this is how I believe it works currently with 2 tuners.

We'll assume we are recording 2 shows at 21.00 with 5 mins padding on each. If a recording is scheduled at 22.00 then there are two possibilities.

a) If the 22.00 recording is a higher priority than either of the 21.00 shows then it will clip the padding off one of the 21.00 shows
b) If the 22.00 recording is a lower priority than both 21.00 shows then the recording will not start until 22.05

Recording priority seems to be:

1. One-off recordings
2. Series links (in order specified in series link management menu)
3. Tivo Suggestions

Suggestions get 10mins auto padding on stop time. Everything else you have to set.

With 3 recordable tuners it should be fairly unusual to get a problem, fingers crossed.

Thanks for that information, however what happens if the 22.00 recording is of the same priority? Does the padding gets cut off and the 22.00 recording starts on time and not 5 minutes later.

The reason I ask this is that we set up virtually all of our recordings as series links so that would create this scenario of the 3 recordings you have with the same priority. On V+ the padding is simply cut off the end of the 21.00 recording to allow the 22.00 recording to start on time. In fact what is the point of recording anything with the first 5 minutes missing unless there is an absolute priority for the previous recording?

I hope the answer is for recording clashes where the priority is the same for the padding to be cut off the 21.00 recording to allow the 22.00 recording of same priority to start at 22.00 i.e. padding only stays on a 21.00 recording if it is at a higher priority than the 22.00 recording, not if the priority is the same.

The other factor is that we regularly watch live TV while recording 2 other programmes on other channels. So in this case it seems that if you are watching live TV when 3 tuners are activated later this month, only 2 tuners are available for recording for your scenario so the clash will happen more often than you think. However, in this situation, just cutting off the 5 minutes padding is best since most of the time programmes complete on time but a delay of recording for the 22.00 programme is almost 100% going to mean missing the start of the programme.

However, I believe a new feature Tivo has is that if you happen to be watching a previous recording, Tivo will use 3 tuners to record your 3 21.00 and 1 22.00 programme including padding overlap on the 2 21.00 programmes. I thought a tuner was required to watch a programme even recorded but must be wrong, not technical enough to know! However, I’m not sure what happens though if you just happen to finish watching your recording during the 5 minute overlap, guess it would notify you with an alert that Tivo would have to stop recording a programme (must be the 5 minute padding of one of the 21.00 programmes not the start of the 22.00 programme, assuming same priority for all 3) for you to decide?

Finally, the V+ has the option for you to set priority between planned series, planned programmes and manual recordings, where you have to set a priority. Does Tivo offer you any more options, how about disabling priority at all? The fact that it is a series or planned programme does not dictate priority to what we want to watch, so just wondering if it is possible to set the same priority for anything planned and then if padding is cut off for any clashes or planned/series recording with the same priority, that would be fine with me!

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

The reason I ask this is that we set up virtually all of our recordings as series links so that would create this scenario of the 3 recordings you have with the same priority.

Don't think that's possible. Even within Series links I think you can set the priority

[muppetman11]

Is the TIVO epg data updated regular during the day ?

[Perfect Choice]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Don't think that's possible. Even within Series links I think you can set the priority

I don’t have Tivo yet so not exactly sure of priority settings, was referring to my SA V+ where you can set priories by planned series, planned recordings and manual recordings, but not by priority of your multiple series recording as I believe you are referring to. So is this something extra available in Tivo?

But the actual point is that I do want to record all planned series recordings so want them all on the same priority and certainly do not want 2 series recordings say at 21.00 with 5 minutes padding so I don’t miss the end of those programmes, then cutting off the first 5 minutes of the 22.00 series planned recording. So if you set the priority of all planned series recordings the same then what happens with the scenario presented? Does Tivo cut off the 5 minute padding at the end of the 21.00 recording to start recording the 22.00 series recording of equal priority, if you can deliberately set equal priority for all series recordings setup, or are you forced to try and manipulate priority on an individual recording basis or just set 0 padding and keep your fingers crossed every programme starts and finishes on time, until VM produce this software update on the padding issue planned in September?

Perhaps the way around this is to make the 22.00 recording a higher priority than the 2 21.00 recordings if you can set priority on a per recording basis with series setup, but this could be on a whole per series basis not individual recordings of programmes in a series.

I just want to record all 3 series programmes in this scenario with the minimal manipulation of priorities/padding and certainly not have the risk that if padding is set at the end of the 21.00 recordings, they do not cut off the first 5 minutes of the 22.00 recording. Better to take the chance of the off event when a programme is slightly delayed (so end of a 21.00 recorded programme is lost when 22.00 programme starts recording) which is very infrequent, rather than have the guarantee of missing the first 5 minutes of the following recording if the padding/priority settings cause this.

Would really like to sort this out before I get my Tivo, perhaps those who have a Tivo already could try out the scenario of 3 recordings and see what can be set up to make sure the 22.00 recording does take priority at 22.00?

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Is the TIVO epg data updated regular during the day ?

I believe it's every 20 minutes or so?

[RobboEdin]

Originally Posted by pythagoras

Its my job, I'm a Maths teacher. runs and hides in the corner

regards

John.

...then as a maths teacher, you should have stated an assumption which you made. The amount of space used is also dependent on the bitrate of the broadcasting channel. Each minute of HD or SD does not take up the same space. Your calculation assumes that it does.

[corgi74]

My friend had his fitted on Thursday and he doesn't even have a Virgin TV package. All he had was 10mb Broadband. He got a call telling him he could have it for £149 fitted plus £3 a month if he signed up for XL TV.
Looks like the listed rollout of VIP, XL and then new customers was BS. Again new customers get priority.
Hapy for him but annoyed with with Virgin

[Perfect Choice]

Clearly there are errors in the customer database.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by clinteastman

I believe it's every 20 minutes or so?

Thanks for that.

---------- Post added at 10:06 ---------- Previous post was at 10:05 ----------

Originally Posted by corgi74

My friend had his fitted on Thursday and he doesn't even have a Virgin TV package. All he had was 10mb Broadband. He got a call telling him he could have it for £149 fitted plus £3 a month if he signed up for XL TV.
Looks like the listed rollout of VIP, XL and then new customers was BS. Again new customers get priority.
Hapy for him but annoyed with with Virgin

You don't have to wait to long now if you want one , all though I know what you mean.

[pauldavies83]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

TV is broadcast in 1080i meaning a picture of 1440x1080 is broadcast, much less information that full 1920x1080. Plus a Blu Ray compressed to around 13mbps would hardly be noticeable, so 10mbps for Live TV is essentially as good as it will get.

1080i is still a 1920 x 1080 resolution frame, the i means interlaced (every other line on the screen is drawn on each pass) rather than progressive (every line is drawn on every pass).

1440x1080 is nothing to do with anything in broadcast TV - in fact, its not even the correct aspect ratio for widescreen TV (1440x1080 would be a 4:3 aspect ratio, not the 16:9 widescreen TV uses)

[pythagoras]

Originally Posted by RobboEdin

...then as a maths teacher, you should have stated an assumption which you made. The amount of space used is also dependent on the bitrate of the broadcasting channel. Each minute of HD or SD does not take up the same space. Your calculation assumes that it does.

I sort of did here:

"Your mileage may vary Thats real world useage on my TiVo. Its 7% full so just multiplied the recorded hours by 100 and divided by 7, after converting all the hd recordings to sd by x by 4. And then dividing the sd recordings by 4 to double check.

Its as accurate a figure without getting to complicated. My ratio of sd to hd recordings are 1:2. So the HD figure will be more accurate than the SD.

Regards

John. "

I thought it was implicit that the bitrate was altering so its as accurate without getting more complicated. The more complicated bit would be taking much more samples to eliminate as much as possible differences in bitrate between channels programs and sd/hd.

I do intend to do this to get a more accurate estimate over time.

regards

John.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

I don’t have Tivo yet so not exactly sure of priority settings, was referring to my SA V+ where you can set priories by planned series, planned recordings and manual recordings, but not by priority of your multiple series recording as I believe you are referring to. So is this something extra available in Tivo?

But the actual point is that I do want to record all planned series recordings so want them all on the same priority and certainly do not want 2 series recordings say at 21.00 with 5 minutes padding so I don’t miss the end of those programmes, then cutting off the first 5 minutes of the 22.00 series planned recording. So if you set the priority of all planned series recordings the same then what happens with the scenario presented? Does Tivo cut off the 5 minute padding at the end of the 21.00 recording to start recording the 22.00 series recording of equal priority, if you can deliberately set equal priority for all series recordings setup, or are you forced to try and manipulate priority on an individual recording basis or just set 0 padding and keep your fingers crossed every programme starts and finishes on time, until VM produce this software update on the padding issue planned in September?

Perhaps the way around this is to make the 22.00 recording a higher priority than the 2 21.00 recordings if you can set priority on a per recording basis with series setup, but this could be on a whole per series basis not individual recordings of programmes in a series.

I just want to record all 3 series programmes in this scenario with the minimal manipulation of priorities/padding and certainly not have the risk that if padding is set at the end of the 21.00 recordings, they do not cut off the first 5 minutes of the 22.00 recording. Better to take the chance of the off event when a programme is slightly delayed (so end of a 21.00 recorded programme is lost when 22.00 programme starts recording) which is very infrequent, rather than have the guarantee of missing the first 5 minutes of the following recording if the padding/priority settings cause this.

Would really like to sort this out before I get my Tivo, perhaps those who have a Tivo already could try out the scenario of 3 recordings and see what can be set up to make sure the 22.00 recording does take priority at 22.00?

It seems to me that tivo has a very complicated method of doing padding, whereas V+ did it perfectly with no user intervention. Why not just implement the V+ method on Tivo?

[muppetman11]

I would suspect its not that easy , and maybe over time you would just get used to TIVO's way who knows.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by passingbat

It seems to me that tivo has a very complicated method of doing padding, whereas V+ did it perfectly with no user intervention. Why not just implement the V+ method on Tivo?

This is TiVo a product that has been around for about ten years. They can't just change the way it has always worked as a couple of people think the V+ did padding better.