Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned? - Page 19

vanman · 05-03-2011, 19:21

the government already complaining that we live to long and can not afford to look after the elderly

**Chris** · 05-03-2011, 19:25

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Originally Posted by vanman

not in denial hugh i know smoking CAN cause a lot of illness i am fully aware of that .
but on the other hand i could stop today cross the road and get hit by a bus.
my choice .
do i really need to cross the road.

I think we get the point that you are happy to take risks with your own health. But the subject of this thread is children. Are you happy to take a gamble on their health as well, or do you refrain from smoking around them?

vanman · 05-03-2011, 19:32

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I think we get the point that you are happy to take risks with your own health. But the subject of this thread is children. Are you happy to take a gamble on their health as well, or do you refrain from smoking around them?

well i think as i said in post #216
it up to the parents.

**Hugh** · 05-03-2011, 19:33

That's other parents - what about you?

**Chris** · 05-03-2011, 19:35

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Originally Posted by vanman

well i think as i said in post #216
it up to the parents.

Fair enough. Are you a parent, and if so, what do you do?

vanman · 05-03-2011, 19:44

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Originally Posted by Chris

Fair enough. Are you a parent, and if so, what do you do?

i am but i have no young children
as i said in post #257

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got two boys at home one 18 he smokes the other one is 16 he hates it.

but when they were young nobody cared if i smoked in the car or not

**Chris** · 05-03-2011, 19:51

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Originally Posted by vanman

i am but i have no young children
as i said in post #257

but when they were young nobody cared if i smoked in the car or not

Public information films and posters encouraging adults not to teach their kids to smoke, or breathe in their smoke, have been around since long before your kids were born. They were around when I was in primary school, and that's about 30 years ago now.

You had the choice, you knew the risks to their health and you did it anyway - claiming that nobody cared is a bit weak. I only hope they relentlessly pestered you about it in the way I did to my dad whenever he smoked in front of me.

idi banashapan · 05-03-2011, 20:01

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Originally Posted by vanman

i am but i have no young children
as i said in post #257

but when they were young nobody cared if i smoked in the car or not

you avoided my question in post #258 well so far. you may not have young children now, but you have had 18 years in which to think about the health consequences you have been subjecting your children to. as you say, your 16 year old is still asking you to stop, yet you haven't.

to repost what I posed to you in #258 - even for the sake of your own children [would you not give up]? the same ones I'm sure you'd say you would take a bullet for? but you won't (not can't - we all know you can) stop smoking for their health [even when one appears to repeatedly ask you to stop - #257]?

vanman · 05-03-2011, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Chris

Public information films and posters encouraging adults not to teach their kids to smoke, or breathe in their smoke, have been around since long before your kids were born. They were around when I was in primary school, and that's about 30 years ago now.

You had the choice, you knew the risks to their health and you did it anyway - claiming that nobody cared is a bit weak. I only hope they relentlessly pestered you about it in the way I did to my dad whenever he smoked in front of me.

that maybe true but banned in public places on public transport and pubs was not on the cards as for smoking in my car.
who are you to tell me i cant just because you dont smoke.

**Chris** · 05-03-2011, 20:11

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Originally Posted by vanman

that maybe true but banned in public places on public transport and pubs was not on the cards as for smoking in my car.
who are you to tell me i cant just because you dont smoke.

I'm not telling you you can't. I'm telling you you shouldn't. They are two different things.

I think any responsible adult should put their children's health before their own lifestyle choices.

For you to force children to inhale smoke that you know will harm them, just because you want to have a smoke, is very selfish IMO.

idi banashapan · 05-03-2011, 20:21

pa-CHING.... my comments off the truth shield!!!

05-03-2011, 20:24

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Originally Posted by vanman

that maybe true but banned in public places on public transport and pubs was not on the cards as for smoking in my car.
who are you to tell me i cant just because you dont smoke.

I disagree with any further legislation as
A)i don't think it is needed and
B) i think peer pressure and further education via ad campaigns will take care of it and
C)why make any proposed legislation about kids? ,if they must legislate make it no smoking with any other non smoker in the car be them adult or child .As a smoker myself i am very careful about smoking around non smokers i think it is very ignorant to impose a potential killer on anyone else against there will ,it may be too late for me and you but give others a chance

idi banashapan · 05-03-2011, 21:03

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I disagree with any further legislation as
A)i don't think it is needed and
B) i think peer pressure and further education via ad campaigns will take care of it and
C)why make any proposed legislation about kids? ,if they must legislate make it no smoking with any other non smoker in the car be them adult or child .As a smoker myself i am very careful about smoking around non smokers i think it is very ignorant to impose a potential killer on anyone else against there will ,it may be too late for me and you but give others a chance

shame there aren't more like you around who smoke. fair play. unlike those people who 'go out for some fresh air', but simply open the back door and then proceed to stand in the doorway and smoke, meaning all the smoke just blows in!!!

05-03-2011, 21:10

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shame there aren't more like you around who smoke. fair play. unlike those people who 'go out for some fresh air', but simply open the back door and then proceed to stand in the doorway and smoke, meaning all the smoke just blows in!!!

If i visit my brothers or mothers house i simply do not smoke ,they are non smokers and standing outside the door flicking dumps everywhere is disrespectful to their house imo .In my job i see loads of houses where people stand outside smoking and there is a nice little pile of dumps right next to the front/back door which is terrible imo as it's no good a smoker showing willing by stepping to the door but leaving the dumps for the kids to play with

idi banashapan · 05-03-2011, 21:15

no one in my house smokes, but we have family and friends that do and that happens in our garden. As much as I politely ask them not to, it falls on deaf ears - much like lighting the cigarette from our cooker and then walking through our house to the garden.. I hate it. just those few seconds end up stinking the house out, especially, as I say, as we are all non-smokers. we notice it more. their actions are simply selfish and plain rude, but what can you do? the problem is, it's my other halves family and friends, and if I push to much, she gets defensive of them and it ends in an argument...