The real reason Tivo is Â£149............. - Page 7

Horizon · 15-02-2011, 01:28

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Do I really have to start going back in the thread and start quoting you? read from #76 onwards

I see in post 85 you added an additonal sentence about tivo, after you made the post. I didn't see that sentence until 30 seconds ago.

WillPS · 15-02-2011, 01:57

Charging Â£149 for a piece of equipment you then rent is a joke IMO. I've made my feelings clear on this on other threads though.

Peter_ · 15-02-2011, 06:24

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Originally Posted by Horizon

All the comparisons with Sky over what they charge for their stbs is getting on my nerves.

Sky don't rent equipment. Sky has never been a rental service. Cable is a rental service.

Why can't people understand this basic fact? If you rent something, you do not pay for the entire cost of the rental equipment upfront.

It is actually a lot simpler than the above to be honest.

If you want TiVo then you pay the asking price the same way every has done for years with V+.

If you do not want to pay for TiVo then forget about it and do not bother moaning about as to receive a TiVo you have to pay for it. no IFS and no BUTS pa up or do not take the service.

Why argue over something that you cannot change.

Nopanic · 15-02-2011, 07:02

I've just had a look on Google for the cost of a Tivo box (non VM) and you're looking at about Â£100 more than VM charge...

I'd totally disagree that it's the entire cost of the equipment.

Peter_ · 15-02-2011, 07:29

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Originally Posted by Nopanic

I've just had a look on Google for the cost of a Tivo box (non VM) and you're looking at about Â£100 more than VM charge...

I'd totally disagree that it's the entire cost of the equipment.

As in this one which costs over Â£236 and is an American import with no access to Virginmedia content. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...emiere_XL.html

dgcarter · 15-02-2011, 07:36

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Originally Posted by Nopanic

I've just had a look on Google for the cost of a Tivo box (non VM) and you're looking at about Â£100 more than VM charge...

I'd totally disagree that it's the entire cost of the equipment.

But that's not allowing for the fact that VM don't pay the retail price, and they will be getting a considerable discount on wholesale for buying in the quantity they have.

Peter_ · 15-02-2011, 07:41

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Originally Posted by dgcarter

But that's not allowing for the fact that VM don't pay the retail price, and they will be getting a considerable discount on wholesale for buying in the quantity they have.

Regardless of whatever price they are paying for the equipment it is up to you to decide if you want one.

You cannot go to Currys and get a television at cost price.

Perfect Choice · 15-02-2011, 07:47

Just to add to the debate, XL customers only pay Â£3 per month which reflects the unique Tivo additional services charge I believe. Any debate on box/VM service costs is about the Â£7/month then and warranty for life for repairs in effect is a very good deal at that price IMHO.

Peter_ · 15-02-2011, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

Just to add to the debate, XL customers only pay Â£3 per month which reflects the unique Tivo additional services charge I believe. Any debate on box/VM service costs is about the Â£7/month then and warranty for life for repairs in effect is a very good deal at that price IMHO.

Exactly and no one else can hope to compete with TiVo so regardless of price to get one it will be a bargain in the long term.

Perfect Choice · 15-02-2011, 08:09

Tivo is also a brand new product with a unique UI and features and in high demand (over 20,000 existing customers have logged a wish to purchase). When the Sky+ HD (1TB) box was launched it had a premium price, so I say to those who don't want to pay the Â£149, simply wait a couple of years and you will get a much better deal!

There are also variants of the box coming out in 2011 which will be cheaper (smaller HDD but same Tivo UI) and suspect when this is launched, customers will not be asked to upgrade to XL TV as they are now.

New technology always comes at a premium, VM is a commercial organisation not a charity, so either pay or wait for when the price comes down, your choice.

gaz2810i · 15-02-2011, 08:23

I don't understand this whole Tivo is too expensive chat. Rental vs Purchase blah blah blah

When Sky HD was launched, I paid Â£400, plus a Â£60 instillation fee, for the new box, on launch. On top of this I had to sign a 12 month contract, agreeing to pay Â£10 extra a month. A total cost of Â£580 for 12 months worth of HD.

To cut a long story short the box broke after 2 and a half years and Sky were a disgrace, They wanted Â£60 to come out and fix my problem, they then replaced my old box with a refurbished box that never worked properly and the engineer insisted on taking the Old box (one I paid Â£460 to have installed). I made numerous complaints and eventually moved from sky to Virgin.

In all honesty, the best comparison we can make is with Sky HD 1tb box and that's Â£249 plus instellation and no warranty after a year.

If i get offered Tivo at Â£149 with Â£40 install fee plus Â£3 a month that will be a total cost of Â£244 over 18 months. The box is not mine, but I have paid half what I did with Sky for there last premium product and I get a lifetime warranty/guarantee that should stop all the hassle I had with sky. That is only Â£64 more expensive that what sky HD would cost you extra with a free box and install.

clinteastman · 15-02-2011, 09:31

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Originally Posted by gaz2810i

I don't understand this whole Tivo is too expensive chat. Rental vs Purchase blah blah blah

When Sky HD was launched, I paid Â£400, plus a Â£60 instillation fee, for the new box, on launch. On top of this I had to sign a 12 month contract, agreeing to pay Â£10 extra a month. A total cost of Â£580 for 12 months worth of HD.

To cut a long story short the box broke after 2 and a half years and Sky were a disgrace, They wanted Â£60 to come out and fix my problem, they then replaced my old box with a refurbished box that never worked properly and the engineer insisted on taking the Old box (one I paid Â£460 to have installed). I made numerous complaints and eventually moved from sky to Virgin.

In all honesty, the best comparison we can make is with Sky HD 1tb box and that's Â£249 plus instellation and no warranty after a year.

If i get offered Tivo at Â£149 with Â£40 install fee plus Â£3 a month that will be a total cost of Â£244 over 18 months. The box is not mine, but I have paid half what I did with Sky for there last premium product and I get a lifetime warranty/guarantee that should stop all the hassle I had with sky. That is only Â£64 more expensive that what sky HD would cost you extra with a free box and install.

That's my point exactly, I don't want to have to sell a box on ebay if/when i leave, I don't want to have to phone retentions to get a out of warranty repair! I want a box that I can have replaced if faulty for the entire life of my contract. I have no idea why someone would want to own their box, to me it's madness!

Marcus125 · 15-02-2011, 09:32

As it seems everyone agrees the fee for Tivo is an advance rental..

If someonne gets Tivo then after 3 months canceled there contract EG-Price rise. Would that customer get the "Advance rental fees" minus costs to date back?

Or is it as someone has said..VM Are making you buy the box? Because realistically how much does anyone think a VM Tivo box would retail for? I bet cost to VM is slightly less than Â£149 if they're buying 1 or 2 million (there will be a promise to purchase contract with cicso). Cisco wouldnt be making them unless the numbers are big.

Perfect Choice · 15-02-2011, 09:35

The difference in the purchase of the box and Â£149 is called profit , cannot blame VM for wanting to make a profit on this.

That Â£3/month fee (for XL TV customers) also covers a recurring cost VM pay to Tivo as well.

Marcus125 · 15-02-2011, 09:41

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Originally Posted by clinteastman

That's my point exactly, I don't want to have to sell a box on ebay if/when i leave, I don't want to have to phone retentions to get a out of warranty repair! I want a box that I can have replaced if faulty for the entire life of my contract. I have no idea why someone would want to own their box, to me it's madness!

Be realistic.

Has you dvd player broke? Your TV packed up? You computer failed? Your blu-ray player packed in?

If the product is of a half decent quality in the first place it will last a good few years.