State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

[papa smurf]

David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism as prime minister.


Mr Cameron suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups that get public money but do little to tackle extremism.

Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

At a security conference in Germany, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism.

Now this makes much more sense.If we felt we had a strong united identity that everyone can sign up to and be part of I think it might work to unite all groups together.But does he mean the UK or does he mean England?

"Again it just seems the Muslim community is very much in the spotlight, being treated as part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution."

This statement from the muslim council of britain i find perplexing .The muslim community is part of the problem just as much as part of the solution .

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Now this makes much more sense.If we felt we had a strong united identity that everyone can sign up to and be part of I think it might work to unite all groups together.But does he mean the UK or does he mean England?

To make this work though the muslim community ,or more accurately , sections of it must stop isolating themselves from the rest of the country

Originally Posted by martyh

This statement from the muslim council of britain i find perplexing .The muslim community is part of the problem just as much as part of the solution .

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To make this work though the muslim community ,or more accurately , sections of it must stop isolating themselves from the rest of the country

Well I believe that was in part what he was saying.

"Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights - including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?

Given the way these topics usually go on this forum, I think a slightly more accurate thread title is a good idea. I have altered it.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well I believe that was in part what he was saying.

quite ,but how is he going to acomplish this without bringing the wrath of these groups down on him ,he needs groups like the MCB to get firmly behind him and speak out publicly against such groups but unfortunately i think that the MCB is one of the groups that cameron needs to look at

[Lister of Smeg]

Originally Posted by martyh

This statement from the muslim council of britain i find perplexing .The muslim community is part of the problem just as much as part of the solution .

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To make this work though the muslim community ,or more accurately , sections of it must stop isolating themselves from the rest of the country

Until we hear of groups of radical Sikhs, or extreme Buddhists etc detonating themselves on tube trains one would venture to suggest that the Islamic community is rather more than just "part of the problem".

[Taf]

The Fifth Column is already within our borders.

Too late now.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Taf

The Fifth Column is already within our borders.

Too late now.

is it ever too late for change ??

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

Until we hear of groups of radical Sikhs, or extreme Buddhists etc detonating themselves on tube trains one would venture to suggest that the Islamic community is rather more than just "part of the problem".

You appeared to have accidently missed the part of the article where David Cameron states "Islam is not the problem - extremism is the problem".

What about the 10 terrorist incidents* that occurred on UK soil last year? - I haven't seen anyone on this forum stating that "the Christian community is rather more than "part of the problem".

*January 8 Randalstown, Northern Ireland
June 17 Aughnacloy, Northern Ireland
June 22 Keady, Northern Ireland
July 10 Belleeks, Northern Ireland
August 3 Derry, Northern Ireland
August 4 Bangor, Northern Ireland
August 10 Cookstown, Northern Ireland
August 14 Lurgan, Northern Ireland

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You appeared to have accidently missed the part of the article where David Cameron states "Islam is not the problem - extremism is the problem".

What about the 10 terrorist incidents* that occurred on UK soil last year? - I haven't seen anyone on this forum stating that "the Christian community is rather more than "part of the problem".

*January 8 Randalstown, Northern Ireland
June 17 Aughnacloy, Northern Ireland
June 22 Keady, Northern Ireland
July 10 Belleeks, Northern Ireland
August 3 Derry, Northern Ireland
August 4 Bangor, Northern Ireland
August 10 Cookstown, Northern Ireland
August 14 Lurgan, Northern Ireland

ah those
we bury our heads in the sand and refer to them as " the troubles"

[Ignitionnet]

He is, IMHO, absolutely spot on. Without some kind of identity binding us together we are no longer a nation and no-one can feel that they belong to a piece of land.

Thorny subject though and I've no doubt all kinds of people previously used to being deferred to will crawl out of the woodwork to complain about it.

State multiculturalism has indeed been a disaster. An absolute unmitigated disaster.

Shored up the Labour vote quite nicely though, so mission accomplished.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You appeared to have accidently missed the part of the article where David Cameron states "Islam is not the problem - extremism is the problem".

What about the 10 terrorist incidents* that occurred on UK soil last year? - I haven't seen anyone on this forum stating that "the Christian community is rather more than "part of the problem".

*January 8 Randalstown, Northern Ireland
June 17 Aughnacloy, Northern Ireland
June 22 Keady, Northern Ireland
July 10 Belleeks, Northern Ireland
August 3 Derry, Northern Ireland
August 4 Bangor, Northern Ireland
August 10 Cookstown, Northern Ireland
August 14 Lurgan, Northern Ireland

The Northern Ireland problems have long since moved in from being down to Christianity. It's more about tribalism these days.

[papa smurf]

Fury as Labour ‘smears’ David Cameron after he attacks multiculturalism



Mr Khan, the Shadow Justice Secretary, infuriated Downing Street by claiming that Mr Cameron was ‘writing propaganda for the English Defence League’. The EDL is an anti-Islamist street protest movement that numbers BNP supporters among its members.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1DAGQe62F

[Ignitionnet]

No surprise that the architects of the policy sanctimoniously defend it and its fallout.

Even less of a surprise that someone as corrupt and unfit for office as Khan would make comments like that, if that was a direct quote.

http://order-order.com/2011/02/05/the-wrath-of-khan/

What he said - accusing people making that kind of comment as writing extremist propaganda puts into very clear focus how extreme the views are in the other direction. Socially and politically a remarkably stupid move, but just what Ed deserves for appointing an unsuitable sycophant of his to such an office.