Fox hunting

[kronas]

Originally posted by darkangel
maybe it's time farmers improved security on there chicken coups etc

yep so they should they are the ones who keep going on about how there animals are being attacked or taken away by foxes

Originally posted by darkangel

the problem is most farmers see animals as walking meals or the see them as £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ not as living things

i think thats unfair most are in there because they like what they do i dont think there is much money in it really..........

Originally posted by darkangel
maybe it's time farmers improved security on there chicken coups etc, the problem is most farmers see animals as walking meals or the see them as £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ not as living things

Yes they should.... but the people i'm referring to are not farmers as such, but are peasants in another country. The coups are as secure as they can be, but the hens are for their own consumption and the eggs they lay hardly make enough to £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ to do anything much at all.

But i agree with you and those that can, should.

And just so you know, I've always voted to ban fox hunting and always will

[Theodoric]

Originally posted by kink
Mmmmm.. yes.. put that way would certainly would change the outcome of the voting..... however, using lovable, furry animals is no less emotive than using wild, destructive vermin to describe foxes
And i certainly know people who don't consider foxes to be lovable but simply see them as a threat to their fowl, <Snip>

My point exactly. You need to be very careful in your choice of words in this sort of questionnaire. Personally, I'd have made choice 3, "Allow hunting to continue", then it more nearly matches the words in choice 1.

Originally posted by Theodoric
My point exactly. You need to be very careful in your choice of words in this sort of questionnaire. Personally, I'd have made choice 3, "Allow hunting to continue", then it more nearly matches the words in choice 1.

Sorry.... when i read your post, i heard you advocating the anti-hunt vote.... so interpreted your words that way... i was looking for meaning where there was none. Obviously my own view helped to colour my interpretation

Lets look at it as.... you played to the stalls and boxes.. and i played to the plebs in the slips :p

[nighthawk]

Fox hunting hapens.. Live with it.

We live in an age that has gone nuts. Everything we do is either Questioned by some Hippy Tree hugger or is made illegal by some stupid European Law.

People are worrying about Killing Foxes & the straigtness of Bannanas (Actual EU Legislation). What about the amout of abused children in the UK, what about all the homeless people?

Should we not sort out these problems before we worry about things like Fox Hunting?

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by nighthawk
Fox hunting hapens.. Live with it.

We live in an age that has gone nuts. Everything we do is either Questioned by some Hippy Tree hugger or is made illegal by some stupid European Law.

People are worrying about Killing Foxes & the straigtness of Bannanas (Actual EU Legislation). What about the amout of abused children in the UK, what about all the homeless people?

Should we not sort out these problems before we worry about things like Fox Hunting?

True, there are more important things to get heated about but each to their own I suppose.

Originally posted by nighthawk
Fox hunting hapens.. Live with it.

We live in an age that has gone nuts. Everything we do is either Questioned by some Hippy Tree hugger or is made illegal by some stupid European Law.

People are worrying about Killing Foxes & the straigtness of Bannanas (Actual EU Legislation). What about the amout of abused children in the UK, what about all the homeless people?

Should we not sort out these problems before we worry about things like Fox Hunting?

The point of thematter is, not only are we wanting to ban fox hunting, its a stab at the establishment of the class system that has re-appeared in this country. If the "common" people can force the gov to go against the "toffs" then there will be improvement all round for everything.

Whoever said about farmers and animals being walking meal or cahs, yes that is true of some farmers, this is why we had a) the BSE crisis and b) foot and mouth.
A lot of farmers will not spend any money on their livestock

Originally posted by nighthawk
Fox hunting hapens.. Live with it.

We live in an age that has gone nuts. Everything we do is either Questioned by some Hippy Tree hugger or is made illegal by some stupid European Law.

People are worrying about Killing Foxes & the straigtness of Bannanas (Actual EU Legislation). What about the amout of abused children in the UK, what about all the homeless people?

Should we not sort out these problems before we worry about things like Fox Hunting?

Yes.... fox hunting happens... but why should we live with it? In that vein.... children are abused daily, bought into slavery and prostitution... should be live with that because it happens? Homeless people are everywhere....should we live with that also?
The answer is obviously no.
The people who care about issues such as animal welfare don't necessarily ignore other issues simply because they care about other forms of life. This thread is about fox hunting... if you start one about child abuse perhaps you'll see the same people take a similar stance.
While i personally don't care about the shape of my bananas.... the fact that the EU does, and does simply for profit, is an argument that some people care about because it's linked to politics and bureaucracy.. and affects all of us in the wider sense.

These people who are choosing to do something about fox hunting cannot be criticised for being pro-active about something they care about. We don't know that they are NOT doing other things about other important issues.

The question is... what are YOU doing to help stop child abuse and homelessness?

[Stuart]

While I am not a protester against fox hunting, I do agree it should be banned. Partly because it is cruel to the fox (which, let's face it, spends the last few minutes of it's life terrified and in great pain),and partly because I have seen (on photos admittedly) what the hounds do if the fox escapes. Put simply, they are worked up into such a frenzy that they will kill ANY animal, including pets.

Apart from those two, as a race, we seem to be striving for efficiency in all things. How is it efficient to have 1 fox chased by upto 20 people on horse, and god knows how many hounds?

I am not denying foxes are vermin, but surely the marksman idea suggested earlier is more efficient.

[Lew]

Originally posted by morris
look vermin up in the dictionary and you will see the word fox. i don't like fox hunting but they are vermin. are you as much against killing rats as you are with foxes?

When was the last time a bunch of toffs went out on horseback with a pack of hounds on a rat hunt?

Originally posted by Mimizuku no Lew
When was the last time a bunch of toffs went out on horseback with a pack of hounds on a rat hunt?

Ah.. but that would be murder...... killing one of your own... :p

[Lord Nikon]

Hey, kink, how come you are insulting rats?

Originally posted by Lord Nikon
Hey, kink, how come you are insulting rats?

Ok nikki... point taken.. before my offensive comment gets modded....

Sorry, to all the rats on the forum and i know there are a few........ no offence intended :p