TiVo - Page 15

pauldavies83 · 02-12-2010, 13:44

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Originally Posted by clinteastman

Lets say the core tech is the same as it was on a S1 (which it isn't, the app platform alone is a massive step forward) you yourself say the it was better than the Sky+ box is now, so we are saying it's still the best box on the market?

From what I read about the Premiere, the core is still the same legacy but has a Adobe Flash runtime bolted onto the top of it to allow "Apps" and a HD UI (but the UI still has throwbacks to the legacy screens - I hope thats not the case with the Virgin implementation).

Yes it's still the best at what it does on the market, but its certainly in a competitive scrap with Sky because of their marketing & strategy machine, not because its a better or worse product.

Because of this, I hoped (and still do) that VM would price it aggressively. I don't see Sky really shaking in their boots until the price drops dramatically.

vanman · 02-12-2010, 13:47

the price is not bad its about the same in the us TiVo Premiere XL
$299.99 + $19.99/month with 1-year commitment
and this looks like the keyboard remote

Stephen · 02-12-2010, 13:54

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

From what I read about the Premiere, the core is still the same legacy but has a Adobe Flash runtime bolted onto the top of it to allow "Apps" and a HD UI (but the UI still has throwbacks to the legacy screens - I hope thats not the case with the Virgin implementation).

Yes it's still the best at what it does on the market, but its certainly in a competitive scrap with Sky because of their marketing & strategy machine, not because its a better or worse product.

Because of this, I hoped (and still do) that VM would price it aggressively. I don't see Sky really shaking in their boots until the price drops dramatically.

Why would VM's TiVo be any different? its being supplied and worked on by TiVo themselves and its the same as the current Series 4 Premiere UI they are using over there.

I don't think the box is ugly. Its not got all the bright LEDs the SA and Sammy had and is very subtle and will certainly blend in to your AV shelves and not stick out. So is a win for me.

vanman · 02-12-2010, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Why would VM's TiVo be any different? its being supplied and worked on by TiVo themselves and its the same as the current Series 4 Premiere UI they are using over there.

I don't think the box is ugly. Its not got all the bright LEDs the SA and Sammy had and is very subtle and will certainly blend in to your AV shelves and not stick out. So is a win for me.

i thought Cisco was supplying the box with tivo software.
the box looks ok.
but if it's made out of the cheap plastic like the Cisco vbox is.

pauldavies83 · 02-12-2010, 14:30

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Why would VM's TiVo be any different? its being supplied and worked on by TiVo themselves and its the same as the current Series 4 Premiere UI they are using over there.

Maybe they have fixed the issue I am referring to on the Premiere since I read about it, but I'd hope whatever revision of the code VM have taken doesn't include it was what I was getting at

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/t...emiere-review/

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Which is why it's so maddening that the old UI is still just a click away -- TiVo's only redone what it calls the "high traffic areas" of the interface like TiVo Central and My Shows, while the Settings and the Season Pass manager are still the old apps. The system hands off between the Flash-based UI and the older style are fast and mostly seamless, but this isn't nearly the whole-hog makeover you'd expect -- in fact, you can just turn off the new interface entirely and just use the old-style menus. TiVo says it's working to redo the entire interface over time, but for now the Premiere rather uncomfortably straddles two different worlds; the home screen might be futuristic and information-rich, but you still set Season Pass priorities using the same interface that debuted on the very first TiVo in 2001, and it still locks up the entire system while it resolves conflicts.

TheWatcher · 02-12-2010, 14:46

Given the fact that I only got V+ in May, I will not be upgrading to TiVo any time soon. The price is too high and the extra features aren't worth it, imo. I've never been an "early adopter" anyway.

ess1 · 02-12-2010, 14:47

I have a Sony Bravia TV which, with internet connection, has apps.
Will there be a conflict?

clinteastman · 02-12-2010, 15:00

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

Maybe they have fixed the issue I am referring to on the Premiere since I read about it, but I'd hope whatever revision of the code VM have taken doesn't include it was what I was getting at

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/t...emiere-review/

Unfortunatly I don't think they have, I know that updates have gone out to improve resonsivness and first hand reports of the VM TiVo say it's "Super Quick", but this screen looks like one of the legacy (SD) parts of the UI:

The thing is TiVo are making massive inroads to reselling thier middleware solution to cable companies, they have even said that going forward that there focus is on software and not hardware. So I guess that if that is true they are going to start pumping some of this new money into development of the software. It's not like they are just dumping this build on us then wondering off, it's an on going contract.

pauldavies83 · 02-12-2010, 15:24

Disappointing - but still better than the UX on the existing V+ box I suppose

muppetman11 · 02-12-2010, 16:06

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Yes it's been launched, but not all the prices have been detailed - yet

The reason it says 2011 is the date when most people will get it installed

Ben do you think people who have registered there interest will be called at some stage to arrange installs if they want one.

tweedie · 02-12-2010, 16:09

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Originally Posted by ess1

I have a Sony Bravia TV which, with internet connection, has apps.
Will there be a conflict?

No

ess1 · 02-12-2010, 16:23

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Originally Posted by tweedie

No

Thanks for prompt reply.

Digital Fanatic · 02-12-2010, 20:59

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Ben do you think people who have registered there interest will be called at some stage to arrange installs if they want one.

Yes, VM will get back to you

HDFootyMan · 02-12-2010, 22:29

http://virgintivo.blogspot.com/

^^^
I'll see if I can update that now and then.

Stephen · 02-12-2010, 22:48

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Originally Posted by vanman

i thought Cisco was supplying the box with tivo software.
the box looks ok.
but if it's made out of the cheap plastic like the Cisco vbox is.

Yes Cisco is making the actual box. I just meant TiVo were suppling the software.