Ban the burkha ?

[naeskydish]

I don't like the burkha but I think banning it totally would be wrong. It would make us as intolerant as the moslem states who lay down their own strict rules.

I agree with masque

A person wearing a burka can enter a shop or a bank without removing it, in a place such as a bank if they should have to remove the burka in order to be served and this can be done in a private room away from the general public

What should happen , is that the full face of the woman should be revealed at all times in large public gatherings, stadiums, airports etc. You cannot personally identify someone if their face is covered. I'm thinking of the terrorist who escaped at an airport dressed up as a woman wearing a burha.

It's a delicate topic and alien to me but I've no problems with the sari, I think they are beautiful and a welcome addition to what is now worn in the UK .

[wwe]

i think it should be banned they have banned it in some places now and they should ban it here they walking down the street with there face hiden what if they went and attack some 1 the person wound not be able to say becouse the person cound't see his face and there no need for people to hide there faces

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

As I said I use a flip helmet, when I'm off the bike my face is fully visible

What I am saying is that there are a lot of circumstances in which wearing a helmet just isn't suitable with a lot of them being in public areas.. I don't see any reason as to why there just couldn't be a blanket ban on covering up your full face in public unless you're following another law (for example riding a bike with a helmet) If the biker isn;t riding then I see no reason to leave the helmet on, though saying that a lot of couriers used to leave their helmet on in the rain purely to keep their heads dry

There is though one hell of a difference between stepping out of your house and covering your face for the explicit reason of simple covering your face than there is in stepping out in a full face helmet with the intent of riding a bike within the current laws.. One is for protection, the other is for some archaic religious misinterpretation and I'm extremely suprised that you're comparing the two..

The police already have the powers to stop someone acting suspiciously and question them.
Knowing how yuck it is to put a helmet on over wet hair, why would you suggest it should be illegal for a biker to keep their helmet on in the rain while they're walking up the road to their destination?
Similarly on a cold windy day, why should it be illegal to protect your face with a scarf?
On halloween, why should it be illegal to go out unless you're showing your face?
Fancy dress party? Best not turn up in that gorilla suit!

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Originally Posted by wwe

i think it should be banned they have banned it in some places now and they should ban it here they walking down the street with there face hiden what if they went and attack some 1 the person wound not be able to say becouse the person cound't see his face and there no need for people to hide there faces

Seriously?
Do you think a bukha only covers the head?
Don't you realise how it restricts movement?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Seriously?
Do you think a bukha only covers the head?
Don't you realise how it restricts movement?

Are you seriously arguing that a person is incapable of attacking because a burkha restricts movement.

"it wasn't none of us your honour, we can't move in this thing!"

[papa smurf]

Burka ban ruled out by immigration minister

Damian Green said such a move would be “rather un-British” and run contrary to the conventions of a “tolerant and mutually respectful society”.


His comments will dismay the growing number of supporters of a ban. A YouGov survey last week found that 67 per cent of voters wanted the wearing of full-face veils to be made illegal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-minister.html

“tolerant and mutually respectful society”is ignoring 67% of the people considered respectfull

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Burka ban ruled out by immigration minister

Damian Green said such a move would be “rather un-British� and run contrary to the conventions of a “tolerant and mutually respectful society�.


His comments will dismay the growing number of supporters of a ban. A YouGov survey last week found that 67 per cent of voters wanted the wearing of full-face veils to be made illegal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-minister.html

“tolerant and mutually respectful society�is ignoring 67% of the people considered respectfull

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In a breakdown of the regions, those in the North of England and Wales are most in favour of prohibiting the burka - with 71% saying the would support such a move.

Those in London looked to be the most tolerant, with 32% either disagreeing or strongly disagreeing on a ban.

Following the capital was Scotland, where 30% of people did not agree with outlawing the Islamic garment.

Total sample size of the Five News/YouGov survey was 2,205 adults. Fieldwork was undertaken between July 14 and 16 2010 and was carried out online.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

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perhaps it should be taken to a national vote to see what the people want ,would that be a fair way to proceed ?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

perhaps it should be taken to a national vote to see what the people want ,would that be a fair way to proceed ?

It wouldn't make any difference. if the whole of the country voted no for something they'd still do what they think is best for us.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The police already have the powers to stop someone acting suspiciously and question them.
Knowing how yuck it is to put a helmet on over wet hair, why would you suggest it should be illegal for a biker to keep their helmet on in the rain while they're walking up the road to their destination?
Similarly on a cold windy day, why should it be illegal to protect your face with a scarf?
On halloween, why should it be illegal to go out unless you're showing your face?
Fancy dress party? Best not turn up in that gorilla suit

That's the main point here, there's a difference between practical and being forced. That's one aspect of why a lot of countries have brought in the rules and why the rules seem to have the "husbands forcing their wives to wear" clause inthem.

As far as my motorcycle comments if you actually read what I typed there are alternatives for motorcyclists such as flip helmets..

You seem to think it's a case of ONLY one rule to fit all so there's not much point in arguing with you especially when we motorcyclists or even a person in the cold does have other options unlike these burkha wearers..

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

It wouldn't make any difference. if the whole of the country voted no for something they'd still do what they think is best for us.

by they i assume you mean the pc brigade who take it upon themselves to be outraged on our behalf and make decisions we are deemed incapable of making on our own .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

perhaps it should be taken to a national vote to see what the people want ,would that be a fair way to proceed ?

Our governmental system is representative democracy, not direct democracy (fyi ).

Be careful what you wish for, or we could end up like California, where the direct democracy movement (initiatives by ballot) vote for things that cost lots of money, then vote against allowing the money to be raised to pay for the things they voted for.....

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

by they i assume you mean the pc brigade who take it upon themselves to be outraged on our behalf and make decisions we are deemed incapable of making on our own .

I think the PC brigade are only that way through fear of having any trouble if they were out on a dark night in the middle of a field with them.

they pull out their PC membership card and say look at all the things I've done for you. don't tell me I did them all for nothing!

Who are "them"? (as in

in the middle of a field with them

)

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Who are "them"? (as in )

them is they not to be confused with those, who are not in the field

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Who are "them"? (as in )

Those that they in the middle of a field on a dark night have been all PC for.