All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[Felim_Doyle]

I often wonder if the people who copy music CDs would steal one from a shop if they thought they might be caught!

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by pabscars

Thanks Sirius, Joglynne and Masque, for restoring my faith , now all that's left is for vm to drop all the cloned modems.

Your wish is VM's command Watch this space

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Your wish is VM's command Watch this space

[pabscars]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Your wish is VM's command Watch this space

Excellent news guys and gals, Excellent news

All of us paying for our slice of bandwidth stand a much better chance of receiving it, once all the thieving *******s are kicked of vm's network.

see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya

[clydebuilt]

A certain somone near me does not seem too happy, must be missing his Skysports. Trouble is these people don't regard it as theft

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by clydebuilt

A certain somone near me does not seem too happy, must be missing his Skysports. Trouble is these people don't regard it as theft

I know, they think it's their right to have it for nothing

[v0id]

Originally Posted by Felim_Doyle

I often wonder if the people who copy music CDs would steal one from a shop if they thought they might be caught!

Copying or downloading media isn't theft, it's copyright infringement which is a civil not a criminal offence.

[saabmania2]

i went into someones home the other day and they had 2 starview boxes, (i reconised them straight away!!)
but i played the blind man and asked what they where and the guy said they was cable freeview boxes?? but they didn't work any longer, when i asked them why both had stopped working, they said something along the lines of "we are hoping a new update is going to be released soon" at that point i couldn't hold back any longer and burst out laughing and said your just going to have to start paying for your services now or get freeview/freesat and the guy said yeah but i won't get sky sports on that though will i !! no not without paying for it .

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by v0id

Copying or downloading media isn't theft, it's copyright infringement which is a civil not a criminal offence.

Setting aside the fact that your point is moot given the legal interpretation of theft;

Section 4(1) (of Section 1(1) of the Theft Act 1968 (TA 1968)

"Property" includes money and all other property, real or personal, including things in action and other intangible property.

GENERAL

• Things in action are rights which can only be enforced by taking legal action, as they have no physical existence. For example, a man owes £ 500 to a company. This debt is a chose in action. It exists in the sense that the company could actually sell it to somebody else, who would then have the right to collect the money from the man.
• Other examples of intangible property are copyrights, trademarks and patents. However, confidential information has been held to fall outside the definition of property:

On that basis what distinction do you make between people illegally downloading programmes (thieves) and those who illegally access programmes (thieves) and how, given the definition in law as clearly defined in the statute quoted above, do you arrive at that distinction?

[Kymmy]

Back on topic please

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by clydebuilt

A certain somone near me does not seem too happy, must be missing his Skysports. Trouble is these people don't regard it as theft

The thing is, a lot of people think of some scrote going up into a small shop, and nicking something from the shelf as theft. They may even think of someone going in to dixons and walking out with an iPod without paying as theft. A certain group think it's alright to nick as a large company wouldn't notice the tiny amount of money you would have spent is missing (in general this is true, but if enough people nick, it's a problem - ask the people who worked for On Digital).

There is also the problem that some people argue that you can only nick physical products. This is most certainly not true.

Having said all that, while I am not a broadband subscriber, so am not affected directly by cable theft (unless someone hooks up a dodgy DTV box and it causes inteference on the network), I can see it can cause problems for VM and I like the service provided by VM, so I'd like them to stay at least vaguely solvent. Which isn't going to happen if too many people nick DTV and Broadband services.

Originally Posted by Stuart C

The thing is, a lot of people think of some scrote going up into a small shop, and nicking something from the shelf as theft. They may even think of someone going in to dixons and walking out with an iPod without paying as theft. A certain group think it's alright to nick as a large company wouldn't notice the tiny amount of money you would have spent is missing (in general this is true, but if enough people nick, it's a problem - ask the people who worked for On Digital).

There is also the problem that some people argue that you can only nick physical products. This is most certainly not true.

Having said all that, while I am not a broadband subscriber, so am not affected directly by cable theft (unless someone hooks up a dodgy DTV box and it causes inteference on the network), I can see it can cause problems for VM and I like the service provided by VM, so I'd like them to stay at least vaguely solvent. Which isn't going to happen if too many people nick DTV and Broadband services.

The thing is society is made up of 2 different groups. Those that are prepared to steal and bend the rules and those that are not. The first group can come up with reasons to justify what they do to themselves and try to use it on others. Whether is is a guy who steals cable or downloads an MP3 both are in effect stealing something with finanical value from somebody.

I still believe the majority however fall into the second group and on the main want to be "upstanding citizens" and the like. You only have to see the queues in Game and Gamestation on a weekend seeing how many DS games are being sold or Xbox 360 or Nintendo Wii games all of which can be attained illicitly very easily. The same can be said of music there is still billions being thrown into the music industry the artists and the reconrd companies still make money by the barrowload.

The only difference I see with VM theft of service if the fact it can effect the regular user. I never used to think the tv could really cause a problem until I was informed modified cable boxes sometimes had to have chips sweated off so something could be done instead of just the return path cut and a cloned card which I thought was all that was done prior( ta sirus) However I still think 3rd party boxes if Eurovox Starview Dbox have little impact on the network. All the power to VM though for finally sorting it out but I seriously want to see an end of modem clones ( although I do realise its on the cards)

[darkm]

Originally Posted by zing

The only difference I see with VM theft of service if the fact it can effect the regular user. I never used to think the tv could really cause a problem until I was informed modified cable boxes sometimes had to have chips sweated off so something could be done instead of just the return path cut and a cloned card which I thought was all that was done prior( ta sirus) However I still think 3rd party boxes if Eurovox Starview Dbox have little impact on the network. All the power to VM though for finally sorting it out but I seriously want to see an end of modem clones ( although I do realise its on the cards)

The boxes themselves don't have to have talkback disconnected. Having talk-back disconnected doesn't cause any issues to other subcribers. To prevent the modified boxes from talking back a noise blocker could be fitted to the line to accomplish this. Hence the name "noise blocker" ----no interverence...

Modding the Rom card also doenst cause any issues as well and in some cases the card doesnt have to be touched at all.

Third party boxes are mostly made the same way as the pace and sammy boxes are made. Using much the same hardware, dvb-c, for all intent in purposes its a virgin box with FTA.

Modems on the other hand are different and if it wasnt for vm badly implented network then it wouldnt and shouldnt have been an issue.

When all is said and done, boxes are going down, channels are going black but as always its swings and roundabouts. People move on to the next thing.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by darkm

When all is said and done, boxes are going down, channels are going black but as always its swings and roundabouts. People move on to the next thing.

Not a lot to move onto.. D+ has been secure since N3 and Sky has it's NDS system. Nothing really else English language..

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Not a lot to move onto.. D+ has been secure since N3 and Sky has it's NDS system. Nothing really else English language..

"Secure" isn't really the term I'd use.

Cardsharing is going to get a massive rise in popularity, there isn't currently a system that isn't vulnerable to it, and people will start to wonder why they ever bothered with their dodgy cable boxes in the first place.

The upfront cost will make people think twice, but the ones that turn to it (or see it in action at their mates) will never look back. Sure there's is a fair learning curve above "plug in a box and it'll work", but even that element is going to cardsharing now as well with several boxes being sold with built in connections to a cardsharing server. Hell you can get a motorised dish with a box that's plug and play cardsharing for <£250 that will open up more than enough packages to keep most people happy, including access to 3-4 3pm kick offs on a saturday, and lets be honest, most people with dodgy boxes are in it for the sports. Those that want the UK channels will likely be happy to pay for a payserver which will give then full Sky HD package for peanuts.