[Update] The Liberal-Conservative Coalition

[Flyboy]

With HIPs now being suspended, what about the thousands now being made unemployed?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by slowcoach

New Labour's anti-recession policies now coming good LINK
A nice little helping hand for the, soon to be seen as incompetent, coalition.

The story seems to disagree with your assessment slowcoach.

He said: "A number of UK product launches and the introduction of new technologies are helping to sustain demand despite an expected slowdown following the end of the scrappage scheme.

Ignoring that inflation is so out of control the ONS reports the biggest loss of spending power since records began, this refers to real inflation, Retail Price Index, rather than whatever figure Labour massaged into pretending to be inflation. This would, just maybe, have something to do with the introuction of 200bn pounds into the economy through quantitative easing.

The gap between the average pay rise - a measly 1.9 per cent - and inflation - a massive 5.3 per cent - has never been bigger, according to the ONS.

There's also the minor issue that jobs continue to go.

Yes I'm sure it mitigated some of the impact, at a really obscene cost, and we couldn't even follow Labour's intended policies in full due to not having the money.

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

With HIPs now being suspended, what about the thousands now being made unemployed?

Surely they can't all become window cleaners, our lane is full of people who became window cleaners under the last Tory regime.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by slowcoach

More investment paying off LINK
Beginning to look like Gordon was right and the media was wrong, again....

Gordon wanted to part-privatise it last year, you loon, what are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

With HIPs now being suspended, what about the thousands now being made unemployed?

A real shame. Good change of post on your part from accusing him of rejoicing in their unemployment.

These according to the story wasted a billion pounds of people's money and slowed fluidity in the housing market. Employing people whatever the cost to economy and prosperity is not the way to run things and never will be.

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Gordon wanted to part-privatise it last year, you loon, what are you talking about?

My win I think....

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by slowcoach

My win I think....

My utter confusion. Part-privatisation was shelved due to protests from the unions and the political impact of such not because of Labour's financial acumen?

What does this prove about Labour's economic policies? Again even the story itself mentions the results as being good inspite of the economic climate, nothing at all to do with any political policy or government investment, it mentions it as relating to efficiency and modernisation?

Is your plan to post that any company that shows any kind of reasonable financial results, even when the stories discussing the results specifically mention these being due to things like cost cutting, process improvements, etc, are due to Labour's economic policies?

If that is the plan you really have no faith in the private sector at all, you old socialist you

[Osem]

Originally Posted by slowcoach

New Labour's anti-recession policies now coming good LINK
A nice little helping hand for the, soon to be seen as incompetent, coalition.

Edit: --------------------------------------------------------
More investment paying off LINK
Beginning to look like Gordon was right and the media was wrong, again....

It'd be nice if you could enlighten us as to the other examples you allude to please. With all these 'successes' under his belt I'm kind of wondering why Brown's not still PM or even leader of New Labour...

Originally Posted by slowcoach

New Labour's anti-recession policies now coming good LINK
A nice little helping hand for the, soon to be seen as incompetent, coalition.

Edit: --------------------------------------------------------
More investment paying off LINK
Beginning to look like Gordon was right and the media was wrong, again....

Slowcoach, you do realise the investment was a £1.2 billion commercial loan, that the Post Office have to pay back?

Also, you forgot to mention the 2500 Post Offices closed in the last three years of the New Labour Government.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Slowcoach, you do realise the investment was a £1.2 billion commercial loan, that the Post Office have to pay back?

Also, you forgot to mention that the 2500 Post Offices closed in the last three years of the New Labour Government.

.... yeah but at least New Labour didn't make thousands of people unemployed....

[Chrysalis]

too late to vote but I will go for hooray.

these 2 working together I feel will stop too many radical things happening although in the published policy list I still see a few things that worry but defenitly less than if the tories were in sole charge.

[Ignitionnet]

FYI: Here's the full coalition agreement policy analysis.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

FYI: Here's the full coalition agreement policy analysis.

I give it a B- I think. Mostly good, some bad and the occasional terrible

One of the best and least publicised bits:

Anonymity in rape cases to be extended to defendants.

Excellent news. Just wish it would apply to sexual assaults too.

And the worst:

Stop deportation of asylum seekers who had to leave home countries because of intimidation over sexual orientation.

I'm sure everyone will be honest and noone would pretend to be gay once they arrive.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by punky

I'm sure everyone will be honest and noone would pretend to be gay once they arrive.

Easy enough to test in the case of the men

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

My utter confusion. Part-privatisation was shelved due to protests from the unions and the political impact of such not because of Labour's financial acumen?

What does this prove about Labour's economic policies? Again even the story itself mentions the results as being good inspite of the economic climate, nothing at all to do with any political policy or government investment, it mentions it as relating to efficiency and modernisation?

Is your plan to post that any company that shows any kind of reasonable financial results, even when the stories discussing the results specifically mention these being due to things like cost cutting, process improvements, etc, are due to Labour's economic policies?

If that is the plan you really have no faith in the private sector at all, you old socialist you

The thing is, the fact that there is money in the system which can be earned by these companies to produce increased profits during a World recession is due entirely to money being pumped into the system by the Government and the BOE. The media slammed GB for borrowing but you only have to look to America to see what happened in areas where the local steel works closed down or in parts of Detroit as the motor industry went into recession, whole areas are now completely empty of people with property falling down, we haven't suffered anything like that.

As far as Royal Mail goes, time was when each day I used to go to the post box with a carrier bag full of floppy disks containing applications for customers, many a time I had to wait for the postman emptying the box as it was already overflowing with mail when I got there, now on the rare occasion that I post a letter I hear it drop to the bottom of the box, obviously RM had to make changes, times change for all of us and we all have to expect that things cannot carry on as before, but hey, I find change exciting although it appears most people are afraid of change which I feel is quite sad.

I remember before privatisation of the utility companies when utility bills were very modest, I think privatisation was just a rip-off.

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Originally Posted by Osem

It'd be nice if you could enlighten us as to the other examples you allude to please. With all these 'successes' under his belt I'm kind of wondering why Brown's not still PM or even leader of New Labour...

I can only speak for myself and the area I live in, under Thatcher we got bugger all in the way of government money as the Tory's flooded London and the South East with the stuff, under Labour you can see the difference as money from the Government and Europe has been spent here to help a deprived area become less deprived, all we want is our fair share after all we pay tax the same as everyone else and although a house may cost more in London and the South East a loaf of bread costs us just the same.

It's simple really, people swallow everything the media throws at them and the media wanted a change, for some reason best known to themselves they wanted the Tory's in power which is why they promoted the Lib-Dem's hoping that floating Labour voters would be more likely to vote for them than to vote Tory, now we see them sniping the Lib-Dem's at every opportunity presumably hoping to derail the coalition and give the Tory's another chance to get an overall majority sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Slowcoach, you do realise the investment was a £1.2 billion commercial loan, that the Post Office have to pay back?

Also, you forgot to mention the 2500 Post Offices closed in the last three years of the New Labour Government.

I would assume that the commercial loan was more political than anything else to avoid too much noise coming from it's competitors.

Post Offices and Sub Post Offices need to get into the 21st century, most I have been in do not try very hard to earn extra revenue, they all tend to have a rack of tiny birthday cards costing many times more than you pay elsewhere, the price they charge for a jiffy bag or a cardboard box is just extortion and as a result the only people to buy anything are the totally stupid or totally desperate. The main thing that people need a Post Office for round here is to draw their benefits, the Post Office has the opportunity to have first crack selling them something but they stock nothing that those people need, a really big missed opportunity.

By the way, our Sub post Office was closed which was probably a good thing, on benefit day he would have his side of the counter covered with a multitude of scratch cards, handing the benefit cash out with one hand and taking it back with the other, I only ever saw one person win, he won a whole Pound which he promptly used to buy yet another losing card.

[Xaccers]

So you agree the "profit" is actually false, not from earnt income but from money lent by the government.