2010 General Election: The Cable Forum Exit Poll

[Derek]

Originally Posted by ashgray

Because i have come to the opinion that if the scots can look after there own ie gordon brown,then its about time the english started to do the same.

Yeah its all the fault of the Scots in electing some labour MP's.

Even if you add the 41 Scottish Labour MP's to the the English and Welsh ones the tories have more seats.

Originally Posted by Neil22

Trouble with the Tories is they hate it when yo go back to old British Industry which they cocked up.

It was nice to see Willaim Hague (the worse leader the Tories ever had) having some squeaky bum time on SKY when the Lib Dems pulled out of talks.

I have to confess, I love seeing the Tories squirm because I hate everyone of them with a passion.

We love you, though, and just want to give you a big hug. xxxx

You should come round to our house for champagne and fox sandwiches.

[Neil22]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Strangely, you haven't mentioned the economic problems in the very recent past....

The WORLDWIDE problems not just a UK problem?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Neil22

It was nice to see Willaim Hague (the worse leader the Tories ever had) having some squeaky bum time on SKY when the Lib Dems pulled out of talks.

Did the Lib Dems pull out of the talks? I must have missed that...

[ashgray]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Shouldn't that be the ENP you vote for then?

No the BNP will do nicely,because people's votes mean s*d all to this undemocratic bunch of horse dung that we have in power at the moment.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Neil22

The WORLDWIDE problems not just a UK problem?

Aye if it wasn't for those greeks, italians and yanks everything would be just rosy in the UK.

Try extracting your head from the sand and you'll see that the economy is in the toilet and regardless of who eventually gets into power things will be painful for a long time to repair the damage caused by the mismanagment of the last government.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by ashgray

No the BNP will do nicely,because people's votes mean s*d all to this undemocratic bunch of horse dung that we have in power at the moment.

Hmm, a vote for them would be a vote for the nazis and be very careful of your family history or they will be wanting you to leave the country if you have any foreign blood in you, this will probably account for many of their rather stupid membership.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Aye if it wasn't for those greeks, italians and yanks everything would be just rosy in the UK.

Try extracting your head from the sand and you'll see that the economy is in the toilet and regardless of who eventually gets into power things will be painful for a long time to repair the damage caused by the mismanagment of the last government.

I think it's a fair point that most Western economies are in the toilet due to a global financial crisis. There are many countries will have to make massive cuts over the coming years, and I'm not talking about Greece.

[Neil22]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Nearly a punch up live on Sky News
Campbell and Boulton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XHuZqyuIS8

Typical Tory media machine that is SKY. Boulton a div of the highest order.

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Aye if it wasn't for those greeks, italians and yanks everything would be just rosy in the UK.

Try extracting your head from the sand and you'll see that the economy is in the toilet and regardless of who eventually gets into power things will be painful for a long time to repair the damage caused by the mismanagment of the last government.

So the 15 years of Tory ruin we had in the 80's and early 90's when we had record interest rates, reposessions at a record high, industry closing on a record scale, Tories filling their pockets with cash from the "BIG UK SELL OFF" from Steel, Coal, Gas, Railways and many many more UK owned industries.

15 years of Tory ruin will take 20+ years to put right. A slow and painful death for a Tory can't come soon enough IMO.

You need to get your head out of the sand quick sharp.

I'll go next door and ask my neighbour who's a nurese if she's better of under Labour or Tory? Her reply will be I'm better off by £5000 a year under Labour.

Can you remember when the nurses were the lowest paid nurses in the world under the Tories? When Labour came to power they increased their wages by 20% to bring them into line.

[ashgray]

Originally Posted by Neil22

Typical Tory media machine that is SKY. Boulton a div of the highest order.

Adam Boulton got it right when he said,all this stirring with gb and the libdems was cooked up by that greasy slimeball mandleson and campbell

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Neil22

15 years of Tory ruin will take 20+ years to put right. A slow and painful death for a Tory can't come soon enough IMO.

Excellent. By my calculations Labour have been/were in power for 13 years or so. 7 more years and we are in the land of milk and honey.

Originally Posted by Neil22

I'll go next door and ask my neighbour who's a nurese if she's better of under Labour or Tory? Her reply will be I'm better off by £5000 a year under Labour.

Yep she is. My job is better paid than it was under the tories as well. The thing is thats all labour know how to do. Throw money at a problem without thinking of the effects of it or how to pay for it.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Excellent. By my calculations Labour have been/were in power for 13 years or so. 7 more years and we are in the land of milk and honey.



Yep she is. My job is better paid than it was under the tories as well. The thing is thats all labour know how to do. Throw money at a problem without thinking of the effects of it or how to pay for it.

surely you mean throw other peoples money at a problem .trouble is they have run out of other peoples money to spend .

[ashgray]

Originally Posted by Masque

Hmm, a vote for them would be a vote for the nazis and be very careful of your family history or they will be wanting you to leave the country if you have any foreign blood in you, this will probably account for many of their rather stupid membership.

Nothing wrong with my family history pal.i'm english through and through just like my father,grandfather,great grandfather,great great grandfather etc etc.

And i don't buy into all that bull about them being Nazi's,i know a few elderly people who vote BNP and they fought against the nazi's during ww2 they just hate to see how there country is being given away to any foreigner that wants to live here and take a british job.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by ashgray

Nothing wrong with my family history pal.i'm english through and through just like my father,grandfather,great grandfather,great great grandfather etc etc.

And i don't buy into all that bull about them being Nazi's,i know a few elderly people who vote BNP and they fought against the nazi's during ww2 they just hate to see how there country is being given away to any foreigner that wants to live here and take a british job.

Many think that about their family history but go back a hundred years or so and they get a surprise, plus do not forget your mothers side as well.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Would someone like to tell me what "AV" is ?

I'll tell you what it's not: in the context of a parliamentary election, it isn't proportional representation.

If you have a single post to fill, it works just fine, because it ensures that amongst the group of people who elect that single person, there is effectively a broad agreement on who is the best for the job, even if that person was the second preference for some of the voters. So it would be fine for, say, electing the president of a Student Union.

The problem is, it doesn't address the big problem we have in our system, which is that minor parties have a solid level of support spread thinly round the country. AV elections for the UK Parliament would be held exactly as FPTP ones are now, that is, 650 individual elections, one per constituency. A party could come second in every constituency under FPTP and end up with nothing. It could very easily achieve exactly the same result under AV.

To achieve proportional representation you need to take account of a party's support over a wider area, such as a region perhaps 4-5 times the size of one of our current constituencies, and then allocate multiple seats within that area based on proportions of votes gained rather than a simple majority.

Hague is on BBC News now suggesting that the Lib Dems have been asking for AV as a bare minimum in negotiations. If that's true, it's a pretty generous concession from Clegg given it is very far from what they actually want. Nevertheless, when Brown offered AV during the election campaign, Clegg acknowledged it as a 'baby step' in the right direction.

Interesting times.