MERGED - What Processor

[AndrewJ]

Have looked into the socket 754 low end 64cpu's over the high end 939 socket processors who on other forums are having a few issues.

Low end 64cpu's in 754 mobo's aint badly priced top end of what I am willing to pay for this system.

The Sempron is needed the Athlon Chip is sounding past it now, and people are game for anything new and special.

I will belieive the performance pages on these proceesors and reviews from owners who will use them for gaming with there stock performance.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by AndrewJames

Low end 64cpu's in 754 mobo's aint badly priced top end of what I am willing to pay for this system.

if you're replacing your motherboard (I assume you are) then that's what I'd go for as your 754 MB will (hopefully) give you more future upgradability:


current top end 754 is "AMD Athlon 64 3700 Clawhammer 130nm (Socket 754) - Retail (CP-087-AM)" - around £300 but in 2 years will be £100ish .


current top end socket A is the Athlon XP 3200 which is where AMD have stopped Athlons at and note that Semprons 3100 and above are socket 754!!!

so on a socket A MB you have almost no upgrade path.


http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...ilterKeywords=

[AndrewJ]

I am wondering wether or not to build into the newer 939 mobo's on a AGP platform and use the system then upgrade into the pci-e systems once they have been made reliable.

[keithwalton]

I'd be abit skeptical about the sempron 3000+ from ebuyer, as ebuyer are reknowned for poor listing descriptions. Seeing as i cant find any other retailer with a sempron 3000+ for comparison and even amd dont directly specify that exits on there main pages it just appears under processer prices. (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPT301)

As i was to believe all desktop semprons so far have 256l2 cache, and only the 3100+ (skt754) has sse2. The rest DO NOT have it. Btw they're built on a 130nm process, which is inferior these days, intel have been on the 90nm for a while now, amd are just making in roads to 90nm, and ati & nvidia are begining to use 110nm (the smaller the better)

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[Richard M]

If you can afford it, then go for a low end Athlon64 socket 939 because the upgrade possibilities are so much better.

Originally Posted by keithwalton

I'd be abit skeptical about the sempron 3000+ from ebuyer, as ebuyer are reknowned for poor listing descriptions. Seeing as i cant find any other retailer with a sempron 3000+ for comparison and even amd dont directly specify that exits on there main pages it just appears under processer prices. (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPT301)

I had a look at the CPU's that are supported by my motherboard, and the 3000+ was down on the list.

http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusu...pusupport.aspx - Search for A7V600-X

Model 8 and Model 10 are supported, but I have no clue in what the difference is between them

[AndrewJ]

Thanks all for the wicked advice was just in time also pay day on wednesday.

Will prob go for a Athlon64 3000 939 and the Asus Rev2 Wireless Mobo.

[keithwalton]

Model 8 and model 10 will most likely refer to cpu core type, with 8 being tbred, and 10 being barton (could be tred b not sure)
I notice if you go via cpu selection mode they all have a model listed apart from the 3000+
Looking at the cpu supported list, 8 is tbred and 10 is either barton or thorton (latter is barton with half the cache) the lower cache could explain the price difference between it and an xp3000+ As i said earlier i wouldnt trust ebuyers description to be precise.
Though i have just found this, http://www.amdboard.com/sempron_3000.html

[AndrewJ]

I am thinking now of more waiting till Xmas is over and have moved in and then working on a new gaming rig.

As it stands now I have got my comet pc ( yes i know i know moment of stupidity ) and been in and given it

2 case fans where slots was one front one back ( not fitted)

Replugged in 2leads

And stopped a power lead chaffin on the visual GPU which was cauising issues when the GPU was in demand.

Hoping it will last me into early 2005.

Well, after the discussion in the "What processor" thread, (merged with this one, seeing as they are almost identical - Russ ) I've decided to go 64.

My budget is about £200, and I only need the motherboard and CPU (since I'm getting 2X 512MB Kingston PC2700 memory next week).

I was thinking of getting the following:

Asus A8V Deluxe motherboard:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=72725

AMD (Winchester) Athlon 64bit 3000+ 939pin/512kb L2cache 90nm Retail Boxed
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=79190

What does every one else think?

[AndrewJ]

Good value but my personal advice would be to buy from www.overclockers.co.uk they have a better return policy and are swift in reply to any questions I may have.

Looked at the same hardware on OcUK, comes £30 cheaper. Will buy from there

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by AndrewJames

Good value but my personal advice would be to buy from www.overclockers.co.uk they have a better return policy and are swift in reply to any questions I may have.

OcUK are absolute CRAP! It takes on average half an hour for them to answer calls (on their 0870 number), they take up to 48 hours to respond to simple emails, they rarely ever ship the same day, they have a habit of shipping out items that were already RMA'd and most of their staff are completely ignorant, I'd rather buy from Ebuyer than OcUK and Ebuyer are the absolute pits.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Bifta

OcUK are absolute CRAP! It takes on average half an hour for them to answer calls (on their 0870 number), they take up to 48 hours to respond to simple emails, they rarely ever ship the same day, they have a habit of shipping out items that were already RMA'd and most of their staff are completely ignorant, I'd rather buy from Ebuyer than OcUK and Ebuyer are the absolute pits.

Totally agree


For my OCUK nightmare, see - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=10185


For Bifta's, see - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=19694


Stay clear of them

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Matt D

Totally agree


For my OCUK nightmare, see - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=10185


For Bifta's, see - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=19694


Stay clear of them

I forgot to add, if you don't get caught in a huge queue, you end up getting a recorded anouncement telling you to phone back later ... useless.

http://www.overclock.co.uk or http://www.gladiatorcomputers.com are far better.