Some shocking news

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/ma...named_1_214597

I mentioned this story to my wife last night, and she said the person she works with knew the family, and from what I was told does change my view point somewhat. (I can't say it either enforces my viewpoint or changes it entirely, obviously as it might go against the sites t&c's).

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/ma...named_1_214597

" His death is being treated as unexplained " ?
Surely 30,000 volts into the body through trying to steal wiring is a good enough explanation.

---------- Post added at 19:27 ---------- Previous post was at 18:49 ----------

Flyboy, this is for you.......... If someone tried to steal the lead off of a church roof, slipped and fell to their death, would you still feel that they were hard done by?
If someone was to try and mug someone and a fight ensued and they ended up being killed in the fight, would you still say to us that it was wrong that they died?
I`m just trying to get my point over here about right and wrong.
If you put yourself and your life in a situation where you might get hurt or killed through your own stupidity, you deserve everything that falls on your shoulders.

---------- Post added at 19:31 ---------- Previous post was at 19:27 ----------

And what i posted in this post........ Post #2
"I don`t suppose they were `Pikeys` by any chance.
Serves him bloody well right. If it isn`t yours, don`t take it. "
Isn`t it a fact that decent normal people don`t go out thieving to get money, they get a job and work for what they want.
By the way, was he a Pikey/ Traveller.?

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by budwieser

" His death is being treated as unexplained " ?
Surely 30,000 volts into the body through trying to steal wiring is a good enough explanation.

---------- Post added at 19:27 ---------- Previous post was at 18:49 ----------

Flyboy, this is for you.......... If someone tried to steal the lead off of a church roof, slipped and fell to their death, would you still feel that they were hard done by?
If someone was to try and mug someone and a fight ensued and they ended up being killed in the fight, would you still say to us that it was wrong that they died?
I`m just trying to get my point over here about right and wrong.
If you put yourself and your life in a situation where you might get hurt or killed through your own stupidity, you deserve everything that falls on your shoulders..

I cant speak for flyboy but it wasnt about the stupidity side of things, it was the making a joke out of it all that I didnt agree with, reading flyboys posts he seemed to be making the same point. That and it hardly means you "deserve" to die. Though I know flyboy can speak for himself I thought Id also reply as I posted in agreement with him. Sounds like there maybe a bit more to this story, if it turns out to be not what the majority was expecting I hope some people will think about casting judgement before the facts are known.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by speedfreak

I cant speak for flyboy but the stupidity side of things, it was the making a joke out of it all that I didnt agree with, reading flyboys posts he seemed to be making the same point. That and it hardly means you "deserve" to die

Where did i make a joke of this mans death?
All i said was he got what he deserved, he shouldn`t have been there trying to steal what wasn`t his look at post number 2, my original post.

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by budwieser

Where did i make a joke of this mans death?
All i said was he got what he deserved, he shouldn`t have been there trying to steal what wasn`t his look at post number 2, my original post.

sorry if i wasnt clear, I didnt say or mean that you personally had joked about it no offence to you, I was pointing out what I disagreed with in the thread, though reading back it would seem I've done that a few times so I will leave you all to it and go and find a less serious thread to join in with

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by speedfreak

I will leave you all to it and go and find a less serious thread to join in with

Why don't you start one of your own? they're easy to do. if I can manage it any idiot can

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why don't you start one of your own? they're easy to do. if I can manage it any idiot can

I dont have anything against muslims so Im a bit restricted

(sorry just a joke couldnt resist!) I dont tend to start threads for fear nobody joins in and I talk to myself like this one http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...ror-codes.html

[Ed2020]

Originally Posted by budwieser

Isn`t it a fact that decent normal people don`t go out thieving to get money, they get a job and work for what they want.

No, it isn't always a fact. Decent, normal people will do a lot of things to get money (or, to be more precise, to get the things that money buys) if they're desperate enough. I don't disagree it was a really stupid thing to do, but we don't know the circumstances that led up to this man feeling it necessary to do it.

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Ed2020

No, it isn't always a fact. Decent, normal people will do a lot of things to get money (or, to be more precise, to get the things that money buys) if they're desperate enough. I don't disagree it was a really stupid thing to do, but we don't know the circumstances that led up to this man feeling it necessary to do it.

exactly and Im sorry to waffle on and on but if for example I lost my job and I was desperately worried about being able to feed and clothe my son, rather than watch him struggle I may be pushed into doing stupid things/crime, I'd do anything for him. If one of those things led to my death I wouldnt say I deserved it and had it coming.

Right, now seriously, Im gone

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by speedfreak

exactly and Im sorry to waffle on and on but if for example I lost my job and I was desperately worried about being able to feed and clothe my son, rather than watch him struggle I may be pushed into doing stupid things/crime, I'd do anything for him. If one of those things led to my death I wouldnt say I deserved it and had it coming.

Right, now seriously, Im gone

But you are unlikely to break into an electricity substation and attempt to cut a live 30000 volt cable are you as you are not as stupid as the person who did that and paid for his stupidity with his life.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Ed2020

No, it isn't always a fact. Decent, normal people will do a lot of things to get money (or, to be more precise, to get the things that money buys) if they're desperate enough. I don't disagree it was a really stupid thing to do, but we don't know the circumstances that led up to this man feeling it necessary to do it.

Decent normal people do always do the right thing and work for what they want rather than steal what someone else has worked hard for.
Give me an example please of what Decent, normal people would do to get the things that money buys apart from working for it.!
If you`re that desperate to feed your family, you`ll possibly attempt to shoplift some food, not copper cable. Wake up and open your eyes.

[Ed2020]

Being desperate to feed your family is one example. In that example shoplifting food would seem to be the most likely solution. I can think of plenty of others in which shoplifting a bit of food isn't going to help at all. Perhaps somebody who is desperate to pay their rent or mortgage to avoid their family being made homeless. Or any other situation which leaves this "decent normal person" with the choice of stealing or seeing their families go without the basic necessities of life.

I think it's perfectly possible that this man desperately needed money for something and he felt he had no options but to steal. Copper is valuable, he could steal it without having to burgle somebody's home or shop (and so wouldn't have to live with the knowledge of having violated an individual's private space), and could do so at night to avoid any confrontations in which somebody got injured. I'm theorising, and I may be wrong. But assuming this man wasn't "decent and normal" (whatever that means) is also theorising and is also quite possibly wrong.

You started your last post with a very clear statement:

Originally Posted by budwieser

Decent normal people do always do the right thing and work for what they want rather than steal what someone else has worked hard for.

And immediately followed it up with a very good counter-argument to your own opinion:

Originally Posted by budwieser

If you`re that desperate to feed your family, you`ll possibly attempt to shoplift some food, not copper cable. Wake up and open your eyes.

I'd suggest it's you that needs to wake up and open your eyes.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by gazfan

No, there are some stupid people who try to steal copper from substations - no-one is 'celebrating', but the 'disturbed' people are the ones ignoring the danger of death signs, not anyone else, in my opinion.

Justice? - I'm not sure, but trying to steal copper from a substation is certainly stupid - death is usually inevitable.

- jumping off a skyscraper is another way of dying, 'justice' isn't involved in the process - however the loss of life is just as inevitable - there is no justification either way, the person is still dead - we may sympathise, but the result remains....

Have you not read the thread? There have been many doing just that.

[Raistlin]

Looks like Darwin was at least partly right . . .

[danielf]

Originally Posted by budwieser

Give me an example please of what Decent, normal people would do to get the things that money buys apart from working for it.!

Apparently, they download it from usenet/torrents.