Christian terrorists

[Russ]

We've all got free will, you know this. Christians aren't immune to screw-ups on any level.

[danielf]

I'm pretty sure Russ did not start this thread in an attempt to glorify Christian terrorism. In fact, I suspect he meant to highlight the fact there are nutters everywhere. This could have been a good thread. Pity it was derailed from post #2.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by danielf

I'm pretty sure Russ did not start this thread in an attempt to glorify Christian terrorism. In fact, I suspect he meant to highlight the fact there are nutters everywhere. This could have been a good thread. Pity it was derailed from post #2.

You kind of get used to it after a while. About 4 years ago.

[frogstamper]

What is it with these morons? are they so deranged that the best they can make of their lives is mass murder and mayhem, in the pathetic belief that this is what "their god" wants?
Its amazing that whatever religion these nutters manipulate and pervert its only them that really knows what god wants, and that invariably its death and destruction...meted out by them of course.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

If anyone is itching for an argument (as usual) it's you Russ, as demonstrated by Daniel's quote I would say.
As I said, with regards to Islamic terrorists, there is often an accusation from outsiders that all muslims support their actions as being in line with their religion, despite it being patently obvious that many are horrified and ashamed that such actions would be taken in the name of their god.
I was hoping that as a prominant christian on the board, you could give your opinion on the matter, considering the actions they had taken and were planning to take, especially as you're the one who brought the topic to light.
It would have been a good example to expand on, showing that whilst a terrorist group may claim to represent a religion, their actions clearly show they do not, without anti-islamists doing their usual of tarring all with the same brush.
But if you'd prefer an argument, I'm sure one of the other members would be happy to oblige you.

Then maybe you are at fault for not making your meaning any clearer because I have to say it wasn't in anyway as clear as you have made several posts later.

I had thought your obsession with Russ's faith and intentions had mellowed somewhat lately..seems I was wrong sadly.

As far as I'm aware, end timer's in the US are invariably members of ecstatic evangelical christian groups/churches. Which have been making great inroads into the US religious scene over the last 20 years or so. These right wing fascists are the sort of people who murder doctors because they believe abortion is murder. Picket the funerals of dead american servicemen and women, who are being buried with the honour their sacrifice demands. But going a step further they are helping Jewish fascists in their attempts to breed a Red Cow, and wait with bated breath for the Jews to rebuild the second temple....

Nutjobs of the word unite, while waiting for the slaughter that comes after the rapture....

[marky]

Wasnt the IRA so called Christian ?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Then maybe you are at fault for not making your meaning any clearer because I have to say it wasn't in anyway as clear as you have made several posts later.

I had thought your obsession with Russ's faith and intentions had mellowed somewhat lately..seems I was wrong sadly.

Sorry, I appologise, I didn't realise "Are they really christians?" was such a complex question which requires at least 10 lines of explainatory notes.
I will endeavour to use words of fewer syllables for you next time
Can you direct me to the new forum rule where all questions need to be explained in great depth? By this question (which are things which are asked) I mean the updated list of forum rules which now say that all questions must be explained so that all members can understand what is actually being asked, a I've looked and cannot see such rule.
Or is "Are they really christians?" actually a valid and on-topic question?

Originally Posted by marky

Wasnt the IRA so called Christian ?

No - most members of the IRA were Catholic, but the IRA was not a Catholic organisation (more Marxist).

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by marky

Wasnt the IRA so called Christian ?

Nooooo! You've gone and confused Margret again now!

Originally Posted by foreverwar

No - most members of the IRA were Catholic, but the IRA was not a Catholic organisation (more Marxist).

And many do not consider them to be christians.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Or is "Are they really christians?" actually a valid and on-topic question?

It is a valid question but when there is an obvious hidden meaning behind it people might get upset.

From the link the headline states 'Christian militants' which really should give you a clue that yes, they are christians.

They might not belong to a specific church but they class themselves as christians. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of splinters of christianity out there and some don't agree with the others teachings. I'd say if they claim to be christian then yes they are. The same way if someone claims to be muslim then they are.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

And many do not consider them to be christians.

I've an aunt who belongs to a certain church. They believe unless you are a member of that exact church you are going to hell and have a special dislike of catholics.

She doesn't consider anyone outwith her church to be christians so is she right?

Basically unless I missed a meeting you don't need special permission to be counted as a christian and don't need to carry a special ID card saying you are christian.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Sorry, I appologise, I didn't realise "Are they really christians?" was such a complex question which requires at least 10 lines of explainatory notes.
I will endeavour to use words of fewer syllables for you next time
Can you direct me to the new forum rule where all questions need to be explained in great depth? By this question (which are things which are asked) I mean the updated list of forum rules which now say that all questions must be explained so that all members can understand what is actually being asked, a I've looked and cannot see such rule.
Or is "Are they really christians?" actually a valid and on-topic question?

I wouldn't call it off-topic really, but I think we'd have to question your motives when you repeatedly ask one forum member for his specific opinion on whether his considers them Christians. It makes it look like you've got some sort of petty and pointless agenda against that forum member, however I'm sure you'll confirm that's not the case.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

And many do not consider them to be christians.

And so what?

Does that change what the IRA (and the nutters in the link I posted) have done? You really need to look at the bigger picture here.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Derek S

It is a valid question but when there is an obvious hidden meaning behind it people might get upset.

But margret said the reason wasn't obvious, hence the need to explain what I thought was a simple question. Maybe it's your keen police nose at work?

Originally Posted by Derek S

From the link the headline states 'Christian militants' which really should give you a clue that yes, they are christians.

They might not belong to a specific church but they class themselves as christians. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of splinters of christianity out there and some don't agree with the others teachings. I'd say if they claim to be christian then yes they are. The same way if someone claims to be muslim then they are.

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I've an aunt who belongs to a certain church. They believe unless you are a member of that exact church you are going to hell and have a special dislike of catholics.

She doesn't consider anyone outwith her church to be christians so is she right?

Basically unless I missed a meeting you don't need special permission to be counted as a christian and don't need to carry a special ID card saying you are christian.

Is it enough to just label yourself though? Isn't being a member of a religion more than that? An adherance to certain core attributes for example?
If I claimed I was Hindu, would that make me one?

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Originally Posted by Russ

I wouldn't call it off-topic really, but I think we'd have to question your motives when you repeatedly ask one forum member for his specific opinion on whether his considers them Christians

Actally Russ, my first post wasn't directed at anyone, hence why I didn't quote you.
You picked up the thread and entered into a conversation with me hence why I quoted you in my posts directed to you.
I realised your mistake which is why I edited a later post to make it clear so you wouldn't be confused and think I'm interested in you specifically.

[Gary L]

Technically they are not terrorists. they didn't actually blow anyone or anything up.

Hutaree says on its Web site its name means "Christian warrior." The group quotes several Bible passages and declares: "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. ... Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment."

Typical nutters. blaming it on their imagination as usual.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Sorry, I appologise, I didn't realise "Are they really christians?" was such a complex question which requires at least 10 lines of explainatory notes.

I don't think they are Christians. they're just another bunch of nutters who use religion as a cover for why they do it, and for when they get sentenced later on.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Actally Russ, my first post wasn't directed at anyone, hence why I didn't quote you.
You picked up the thread and entered into a conversation with me hence why I quoted you in my posts directed to you.
I realised your mistake which is why I edited a later post to make it clear so you wouldn't be confused and think I'm interested in you specifically.

Riiiight...I'm sure other people reading the thread will see it differently. Anyway I'm slightly confused about why you're interested in whether they're Christians or not, when if a thread pops up regarding Islamic terrorists I can't say I've noticed you repeatedly asking "are they really Muslims".

I can't see what difference it makes about who or what they claim to be - they are terrorists and deserved to be treated as such.