Britain's Islamic Republic

[Jimmy-J]

Media exaggeration / sensationalism, or good journalism? What do you think?

Dispatches investigates a fundamentalist Islamic group headquartered in Britain, and its claims to have placed its 'brothers' in positions of political power here.

Using undercover recordings, investigative journalist Andrew Gilligan reveals the group's ambitions to create a worldwide 'Islamic social and political order,' and the concerns of a mainstream party that they are being 'infiltrated'; and talks to the Muslims who want to stop it.

The Dispatches Video

I watched it last week (or was it the week before) on Ch4, and thought it a rather interesting program....

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

I watched it last week (or was it the week before) on Ch4, and thought it a rather interesting program....

This episode went out on Monday 01 March. And yeah, it was really interesting.

[papa smurf]

i saw one of these programs -and it claims that muslims are going after any political office [regardless of party politics] just to gain a voice to change the future of this country , i dont find it only interesting but very disturbing.

[Russ]

There are enough racists and islamaphobes in Britain to ensure it never happens.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i saw one of these programs -and it claims that muslims are going after any political office [regardless of party politics] just to gain a voice to change the future of this country , i dont find it only interesting but very disturbing.

I saw this programme when it aired, and whilst I too found that aspect disturbing, it was good to see that there were a lot of muslims out there who opposed it just as much.

[snowey]

Originally Posted by Russ

There are enough racists and islamaphobes in Britain to ensure it never happens.

You can say that again mate....

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Russ

There are enough racists and islamaphobes in Britain to ensure it never happens.

Judging by the Dispatches video, it already is.

[Russ]

I've got no doubts Islam will play a bigger part in UK affairs over the next few decades but it won't overun the UK. You simply cannot iradicate the ignorance and fear of some people, especially when it's nurtured by the media. If these types of muslims were in positions of power right now then I doubt the Dispatches show would have broadcast.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Russ

I've got no doubts Islam will play a bigger part in UK affairs over the next few decades but it won't overun the UK. You simply cannot iradicate the ignorance and fear of some people, especially when it's nurtured by the media. If these types of muslims were in positions of power right now then I doubt the Dispatches show would have broadcast.

Given that no religion should play any part in UK affairs merely that it will play a 'bigger part' is more than bad enough.

We all know there are those within the islamic community that actively want and probably are planning this to some degree. Wash rinse and repeat for every other group as well it is no secret and something most of us already knew it is upto us who gets into power and thats why people need to get interested in politics again to stop this sort of thing.

Originally Posted by Russ

There are enough racists and islamaphobes in Britain to ensure it never happens.

Thats rather an over simplification of why people wouldn't want to live in a Dark Age's theocratic state.... On the other hand, I must commend you for being evocative. If I hadn't seen your name as poster, I'd have sworn it was one of Flyboy's....

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Given that no religion should play any part in UK affairs merely that it will play a 'bigger part' is more than bad enough.

Tolerance is the key.

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Thats rather an over simplification of why people wouldn't want to live in a Dark Age's theocratic state.... On the other hand, I must commend you for being evocative. If I hadn't seen your name as poster, I'd have sworn it was one of Flyboy's....

It might be over-simplification but it's one of the most effective. If the brain-donors of the EDL, WDL, BNP etc get involved in violent clashes while Islam is at the level it's at right now imagine the riots if Islam played a major part in the UK constitution.

As for being evocative, that wasn't my intention, it wasn't aimed at anyone on CF (unless there are people here who actively take part in BNP/EDL riots).

The knuckle draggers who usually frequent BNP rallies etc can be relied upon to ensure it never happens, although I'd like to think common sense in voters would be effective enough to make sure it never gets that far.

Originally Posted by Russ

Tolerance is the key.



It might be over-simplification but it's one of the most effective. If the brain-donors of the EDL, WDL, BNP etc get involved in violent clashes while Islam is at the level it's at right now imagine the riots if Islam played a major part in the UK constitution.

As for being evocative, that wasn't my intention, it wasn't aimed at anyone on CF (unless there are people here who actively take part in BNP/EDL riots).

The knuckle draggers who usually frequent BNP rallies etc can be relied upon to ensure it never happens, although I'd like to think common sense in voters would be effective enough to make sure it never gets that far.

While I am happy to agree with you 100% about the average membership of the BNP, EDL et al is likely to be a knuckle dragging moron. Your first post, like the statements that have been bandied about in the press for the last nine years, doesn't point to specific sections of the political or social spectrum. It reads to me, and perhaps to other as a broad statement that, if you are interested enough to watch, and comment on the rise of militant islam. Then you are,

a). A bigot.
b). A racist.
c). A fascist.
d). A xenophobe.

The fact that many people who aren't, or certainly wouldn't consider themselves to be any of the above. Get tarred with the same brush, by politicians, the more liberal sections of the media, and on boards such as this by someone such as you Russ. Makes people rather brassed of, but at the same time worried that anything they say will end up getting them labeled as a jackbooted nazi....

[e] - small edits to make the post slightly more readable.

[Russ]

I think you're reading too much in to my post. If people are uncomfortable with Islam, I don't consider them to be racist. If some people express the opinion that they would not want Britain to be an Islam state then equally I would not call them racist. Even if there are some people who would actively prevent Islam from running the UK, I would not call them the racists I'm talking about.

I for one do not want the UK to be run by Islam. I am engaged to a British-Indian woman and I'll be taking on her 2 British-Indian children when we are married. She is a former Muslim (she took on the religion as part of her Sharia Law marriage to the children's father - that's a different story though). She has told me the other side of Islam. It will never appeal to me but it I can see it is, in the main a peaceful faith. But I am Christian and I'm happy for the UK to remain a (predominantly) Christian country, although there should always be room for opposing faiths and non-faiths.

The reason I digress is to demonstrate I don't consider everyone who opposed Islam to be racist. But in the context of the point I'm making, those who are happily racist and islamaphobic could be relied upon to ensure it never controls the UK although as I've stated, I hope it never gets that far.